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OriginalGriff wrote: ...and come back quite a few Kg heavier...
Well, you paid for it, disproving that old saw "you can't take it with you".*
* All inclusive includes weight gain. Don't worry - it helps you keep float.
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Quote: Now that's a vacation.
OK, it's official. We all hate you! 
- I would love to change the world, but they won’t give me the source code.
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Forogar wrote: We all hate you!
Well yeah. But what's the vacation got to do with it?
I am not a number. I am a ... no, wait!
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Meh, I prefer the slight annoyance of having to sometimes prepare food over over not having any control. We'll only have three weeks this year, but there are maybe 100 eating places within a 10 minute walk of the house.
I bet my $0 plus food and drink works out cheaper too. 
veni bibi saltavi
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Nagy Vilmos wrote: I bet my $0 plus food and drink works out cheaper too.
Do you have a "special discount" rate from Gordons? 
Bad command or file name. Bad, bad command! Sit! Stay! Staaaay...
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Foraging for you food and entertainment would, indeed, work out cheaper - unless, of course, you factor in the value of the time used to get it. Not nearly so big a bargain.
They've five restaurants on site (included) that are all much fancier than anything I'd be willing to pay for directly - and open bars - and food available all the time in many handy locations. Even the buffets are great - and typically include food prepared on-the-spot, to your taste (hardly counts as a buffet in some respects).
But the real clincher: you've "ONLY" three week - I have 13 workdays/year, and that would include any personal needs. Reality is that 9 days (eight nights) exhausts the non-committed time pretty throroughly: time off is more precious to me.
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W∴ Balboos wrote: I have 13 workdays/year,
That's insane 
GCS d--- s-/++ a- C++++ U+++ P- L- E-- W++ N++ o+ K- w+++ O? M-- V? PS+ PE- Y+ PGP t++ 5? X R++ tv-- b+ DI+++ D++ G e++>+++ h--- ++>+++ y+++* Weapons extension: ma- k++ F+2 X
If you think 'goto' is evil, try writing an Assembly program without JMP. -- TNCaver
When I was six, there were no ones and zeroes - only zeroes. And not all of them worked. -- Ravi Bhavnani
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Our normal summer is 5-6 weeks, but both Mrs Wife and I have work that allows for this. This year it is curtailed as she can't get away until a week later than normal and then we're moving to her new job at the end of August; a week's drive including stops to visit a few new places.
veni bibi saltavi
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Nagy Vilmos wrote: Our normal summer is 5-6 weeks,
Now I'll arrive in Jamaica with red eyes from crying.
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Well, Jamaica being Jamaica you'll have plenty of occasions to make your eyes red, smiling.
GCS d--- s-/++ a- C++++ U+++ P- L- E-- W++ N++ o+ K- w+++ O? M-- V? PS+ PE- Y+ PGP t++ 5? X R++ tv-- b+ DI+++ D++ G e++>+++ h--- ++>+++ y+++* Weapons extension: ma- k++ F+2 X
If you think 'goto' is evil, try writing an Assembly program without JMP. -- TNCaver
When I was six, there were no ones and zeroes - only zeroes. And not all of them worked. -- Ravi Bhavnani
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 You can keep it. I cannot think of any worse to be doing in June. Don't come crying to me when you've got melanoma, dengue fever, Zika and fried brains! If God meant us to holiday in Jamaica he'd never have invented Skegness!
I am not a number. I am a ... no, wait!
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Ah yes, Skegness. The Favela of t'North
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Ahh - that's a relief - You won't be there to rain in my very abundant sunshine.
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Enjoy yourself, and remember that 9082365 is just jealous.
modified 30-Jun-16 8:54am.
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Yeah - I noted that soon after he/she/it began to post regularly.
Such posters are a good reminder to me to remember CP is a place I like to play and would like to remain welcome.
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Bon voyage ! 
«There is a spectrum, from "clearly desirable behaviour," to "possibly dodgy behavior that still makes some sense," to "clearly undesirable behavior." We try to make the latter into warnings or, better, errors. But stuff that is in the middle category you don’t want to restrict unless there is a clear way to work around it.» Eric Lippert, May 14, 2008
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So I need a bit of a hint for technology choice: I want to implement a web page where people must have an account, and can from time to time post data to subscribe to events. The account is for them to be able to see what they have subscribed to and to not have to enter their personal data (Name, phone number, mail and so on). On the back end, I would need to be able to retrieve data (for post-procesing), create some lists, and send mails. Saved data is not highly confidential.
What language should I go for ? Is there any framework I could use for that ?
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There are two main options to start with as your first web venture...
A[^] and B[^]
If you have any background in the .NET word a MVC solution can be a very quick option...
If you more for the open platform, you should check some LAMP solution...
And there is a wide mine-field between (and around) the two...
Skipper: We'll fix it.
Alex: Fix it? How you gonna fix this?
Skipper: Grit, spit and a whole lotta duct tape.
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I've already experience with LAMP, but not with managing users and passwords and so on. Thought there could be maybe some CMS where I would have the possibility to not rewrite the whole user management from scratch, AND have access to the database for my own purposes. From what I have seen, there is either the closed CMS (no direct access to the database) or the full open one, but nothing inbetween.
.Net MVC is new to me, I am an old(!) C++ guy. GUI is still linked with MFC 
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Kornfeld Eliyahu Peter wrote: There are two main options to start with as your first web venture...
A[^] and B[^]
For any programming venture really 
Have a thumbs up for your fine sense of pessimism reality though 
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Cleanest way, at least how I do such things, is php (back-end) and javaScript front end.
If we presume no 'real' security, you have data entered in a <form>, which automatically submits to an php page that stores the data (in your database of choice, or even a flat file). PHP can do SMTP, database, everything. If you want SQL server, MS makes a free set of plug-ins.
A fair (and free) environment, with some visual design include, is Expressions 4. It's not full HTML5/CSS3 aware, but it does have autocomplete.
Lookup, without logging in: why not have submission of their (chosen) user ID return their input? You may wish to separate UID's and names from the list so you can put a unique constraint on the user list and have the one-to-many for their event(s). You kinda' know all this stuff. It's much the same, except that, due to security features, transferring and manipulating data on the server side vs. client side are separate events: sending data between them is an interesting game to learn.
Return from the form submission could be a page with all of their current submissions.
Thus, You don't need any special technology for this. You know how to make rules and such. A framework would add little.
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Your requirements are simple enough that literally almost anything will do. A classic PERL CGI gateway could do this with flat files in a heartbeat.
Just pick a platform that interests you and call it a learning experience. If you really want to have a look outside of your normal stomping grounds and into modern web applications, have a look at the MEAN stack for the full-JavaScript experience, or make it a Go project, or play with Ruby on Rails, or even Python.
Or just write it in C++; there are plenty of web server libraries available in the OSS world.
"There are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies and statistics."
- Benjamin Disraeli
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First, go through the pain of setting up a server on the cloud. Here's[^] the steps for setting up an EC2 instance (most of it applies to Azure if you want to use that instead.) Consider whether you need/want/should implement SSL so your site, even for "not highly confidential" data, using SSL to encrypt the data between the server and client.
As to language on the server, obviously I'd recommend C#.
For a database, sounds like SQL Express would be more than sufficient, or you could see if MongoDB fits the bill.
Decide whether you're data needs something as complicated an Entity Framework, or you want to stick with something a bit more lightweight like Linq2SQL. If you go the NoSQL route, read up on MongoDB with Entity Framework[^].
Decide on ASP.NET, Razor/MVC (or whatever the right combination of acronyms is) or whether you need something that complicated to serve pages (it seems like you need only one page?) so maybe just a straight forward roll-your-own server is sufficient. (The latter is what I do even for bigger sites, I just can't deal with the cruft of things like ASP.NET and Razor. I wrote a free e-book[^] on rolling your own server.)
Even for a single page, I'd highly recommend you use jQuery.
Do you need more interesting controls? Look at something like jqWidgets.
Do you need a menu and make the site mobile friendly? Look at Bootstrap.
Are you wanting to do single page application (SPA)? Look at something like Bootstrap, Angular, etc.
Do you need simple databinding of objects to widgets on the page? Knockout and their ilk might be useful, then again, even something as simple as Knockout might be overkill for what you need.
Before you write any Javascript or put together any HTML, implement all your client-side functionality as REST calls and write tests for them, because then you can just write the callbacks as get/post AJAX calls using jQuery.
Even if you go the LAMP route, use something like node.js, or a lightweight server like Python's Bottle[^] (which I use on a Beaglebone single board computer, it's great), realize that most of your time will be spent on fussing with Javascript, HTML and CSS.
That's the general idea / decision making tree. Good luck. Ping me if you need help with something, assuming I know something. 
Marc
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Depends on the language we use...
But it is always put me in good mood, when someone calls me that way, especially when that someone clearly has no idea what to do without my stupidity...
It is a good day!
Skipper: We'll fix it.
Alex: Fix it? How you gonna fix this?
Skipper: Grit, spit and a whole lotta duct tape.
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