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Member 12023988 wrote: numerous studies show correlations between IQ scores and various other attributes, such as SAT scores, income, wealth
... but average people don't know that 
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Because of social sorting, you probably have not had extensive interactions with very many people with an IQ of 100. If you were to do so, you would probably find them to be relatively stupid. But why believe me, or anyone else responding to your question? Be a scientist, figure out how to identify some people with 100 IQs, and go interact with them and see for yourself.
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Since in the Netherlands we approximately sort people by their IQ (really by learning ability, but it's strongly correlated) in different categories with their own school type, we can track this sort of thing. Someone with an IQ of 100 would probably go to Vmbo-KB or -GL. Where do these people end up? as Mediocre Office Drone, in distribution, doing manual labor (where they are then of above average intelligence), that sort of thing.
- applications to an average university:
hell no, they automatically don't meet the requirements by having done the wrong type of school. - a course to become an airline pilot:
would fail miserably - learning to program in C#:
they actually do this, on the level of "code monkey". Apparently those are in demand though. - studying law:
yep, but on the level with which you become an office drone with some knowledge of the law. - running for public office:
We give Geert Wilders sh*t for having done MAVO (vmbo before the name change), but his IQ is not officially known as far as I could find.
Some other fun bits:
- They're listed here[^] as "can reach learning objectives thanks to the structure offered by the teacher", "can follow instructions for 10 minutes", "limited planning ability", "cooperation only under supervision"
- What they learn in 4 years is assumed to be known by VWO students after their introductory year where you don't learn anything.
- They consume more alcohol, drugs and tobacco than VWO students and start younger.
- They learn math by memorizing a lot of examples and get confused if the same question is asked with different numbers.
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Interesting - thanks.
•They learn math by memorizing a lot of examples and get confused if the same question is asked with different numbers.
When I did maths at school our teacher always made us (as part of our coursework) define things in at least three ways - eg a equilateral triangle is one that has all its sides the same length; has all its angles the same; is symmetric about the bisector of any of its angles. That sort of thing. Good mental exercise, I always thought.
"I'm never quite so stupid as when I'm being smart." - Linus van Pelt.
"If you were as smart as you think you are, you wouldn't think you were so smart!" - Charlie Brown.
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define things in at least three ways - eg a equilateral triangle is one that has all its sides the same length; has all its angles the same; is symmetric about the bisector of any of its angles
The latter two aren't definitions, they are theorems. The definition of an equilateral triangle is a polygon with three interior angles (i.e., a triangle), the sides of which are equal in length (i.e., equilateral). There's a good "mental exercise" ... breaking things down into parts, seeing what the parts are, seeing their relationships, and attending to details.
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Nobody knows, so what they do is give the test to a whole lot of people, and then by looking at the "average" of the number of correct answers, that determines what gets assigned as "100."
Of course, that average has undoubtedly been going down as technology and our education systems dumb down people.
Marc
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Nobody knows, so what they do is give the test to a whole lot of people, and then by looking at the "average" of the number of correct answers, that determines what gets assigned as "100."
You didn't understand the question.
Of course, that average has undoubtedly been going down as technology and our education systems dumb down people.
Smart people know better than to mistake their beliefs for facts, and they certainly know better than to have no doubt about those beliefs. As it turns out, you are incorrect, and it has been necessary to make IQ tests harder over the years in order to keep the mean at 100:
Flynn effect - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia[^]
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Flynn effect - quite true.
It may be an artefact of generally increasing childhood health, nutrition etc.
When the greatest proportion of "the population" (choose yours) has roughly the same conditions as the previous generation, the Flynn Effect will become very interesting.
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My experience is that intelligence is wide spread. Some who are good in logic and mathematics, are really bad in art, sports or craftmanship.
I dont like people who got an attest about 130++ and think other people are stupid. 
Press F1 for help or google it.
Greetings from Germany
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IQ testing (professionally supervised tests) are PREDICTIVE.
Any given set of high-IQ people will have better life-time outcomes in all sorts of areas (health, wealth, longevity among others).
Their outcomes will be rather better than any given set of "average" people.
Their outcomes will be immensely better than any given set of very low IQ people.
There are NO tests for art, craftsmanship or sport that are predictive. None. Except for IQ tests of course
(Forget physical tests you morons - of course you it helps to be to be tall to play Basketball, and to have two legs to play football).
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You've posted this twice ... it was waiting in moderation
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Not so smart of me
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I did chuckle a little bit 
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Wombaticus wrote: just how smart (or dumb) is someone with an IQ of 100?
For example - how would such people fare in:
applications to an average university
I suspect a lot of people would have difficulty just filling out the form.
Wombaticus wrote: running for public office (ha ha just joking with that one!)
Bill Maher's Religulous[^] has the answer to that one.
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I'd say politicians would be a good measure of average.
New version: WinHeist Version 2.2.2 Beta I told my psychiatrist that I was hearing voices in my head. He said you don't have a psychiatrist!
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Ian Anderson (Jethro Tull) put the answer to your question ever so wisely:
"Thick as a Brick"
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+1 for referencing a great album!
"I'm never quite so stupid as when I'm being smart." - Linus van Pelt.
"If you were as smart as you think you are, you wouldn't think you were so smart!" - Charlie Brown.
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Yes - that wasn't the question though...
"I'm never quite so stupid as when I'm being smart." - Linus van Pelt.
"If you were as smart as you think you are, you wouldn't think you were so smart!" - Charlie Brown.
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Average persons give average solutions to problems, whereas better-than-average individuals give better solutions. Meaning the same sort of solution as most others came up with under the same conditions. Well, most problems have solutions that are gradient of a worst to best choices; the mind can pare these down to a set of multiple choice answers. The answer most people give is the average.
On the one hand a problem may have only one solution that everyone can come up with, like how to open a bag of potato chips. On the other hand it could be difficult to determine how a great solution is any better than an average solution, like a Windsor tie knot.
Dumb persons usually know that they are using a poor solution. They have a creeping feeling that something is amiss in how they are dealing with a situation. Usually they can rely on the observations of an average individual to help them, correct them, and likely save them from trouble. Correcting a dumb person does not make a person any better than average one.
Assumedly, smart persons are those persons that correct the solutions of average persons. This being a robust planet of average people, this sort of intelligence correction is of very little use, and is generally discouraged. Luckily, you're asking about average people and not smart people  .
Let's be frank about this though. On earth there are a few goals to which ninety-nine percent of the people yearn and strive: To be rich, and carefree! 'Nuf said. So what are the average results for any person in the world today probably describes a concept of averagicity. This concept boils down to an order of priorities.
Which comes first and last? 1) Cut lawn. 2) Drink tea. 3) Study code.
What's the best time to masturbate? Winter? Or summer?
Answers describe us, and our destiny. Average prioritization yields average life. Rebellion is futile. Good luck
Remain Calm & Continue To Google
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Of course, stupid people don't realize there's a problem at all...
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Wombaticus wrote: What is average intelligence
Pretty disappointing 
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I'd probably have my dossier stamped 'do not allow to breed' by the results of such IQ tests - do I give a rats ? no f-ing way ..
- I have enough intelligence to learn (sometimes not without pain) new programming techniques (IOC is my current study task)
- I have enough intelligence to solve all sorts of IT and engineering problems (like designing and building a wheelchair ramp for my mother when she broke her leg and needed a way into/out of the house), putting up a weather station on a remote site, bringing two IT systems that may as well be speaking swahili and greek together
- I have enough intelligence to be nice and treat people with respect (except the fvcker car drivers as I was speed cycling yesterday, they dont deserve no stinkin respect) (whoops
 ) - I know I can acquire new knowledge when I need to
I dont get how I'd feel threatened by being above or below average - I have the intelligence I need
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Yes - I'm not sure I'd do particularly well in an IQ test either, but I don't have much faith in them measuring anything useful.
The thing is - does the average person have the intelligence they need - or that "we" need - in order to create a viable, likeable, society? Without trying to blow my own trumpet, I really do wonder...
"I'm never quite so stupid as when I'm being smart." - Linus van Pelt.
"If you were as smart as you think you are, you wouldn't think you were so smart!" - Charlie Brown.
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