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Quote: VW Blames The Programmers!!!
What a pile of BS! The top management of any company may delegate responsibilities to underlings, but they can never escape accountability. They remain accountable for ALL actions of their underlings.
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when their violent passions are spent?
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Well...I never thought management would gets it's hands dirty and code it themselves! 
But it's a big company, with (I would assume) heavy duty reviews and QA procedures - if only to avoid lawsuits if there was a software glitch and someone in the USA crashed as a result.
So I can't see something like this getting through the system unless it was instigated, supported, and specified by management through the whole chain of command.
(And no, I don't want to get into a "German programmers were just obeying orders" argument!)
Bad command or file name. Bad, bad command! Sit! Stay! Staaaay...
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I wonder if VW will make the judgement that is cheaper to abandon the US market than fix the cars and pay the fines.
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A couple of problems with doing this:
- That would still not prevent class action suits by VW purchasers. If they can't get at VW directly, they might go after the assets of any company wholly owned by VW.
- The U.S. government would certainly go after the assets of any company owned by VW.
To summarize, this would involve stopping any and all U.S. activity by VW or its subsidiaries. Given today's world, I doubt that it is even possible, let alone desirable.
If you have an important point to make, don't try to be subtle or clever. Use a pile driver. Hit the point once. Then come back and hit it again. Then hit it a third time - a tremendous whack.
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Just speculating.
1: a civil class action suit could not be applied overseas. Same as going bankrupt in the USA would leave your assets intact and untouchable in France.
2: I'm suggesting that they may take the view to completely abandon the US market; completely! Nothing for the govt to take.
I agree it is probably unlikely, just wondering if it had crossed their minds and how serious the train of thought might have been.
In any case, they make decent if boring vehicles and it's been mooted that they are not the only manufacturer doing this. I think there was an article (Telegraph, possibly) that stated that other manufacturers are going to get dragged into the melee.
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What nonsense.
I further suspect that this thing is going to spread a lot further and will include VW gas engines as well.
I know a few people with Volkswagons and even the fanboys complain about how difficult it is to get them serviced if there is something wrong with the computer. The fact that so many had problems with the computer is equally troubling.
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the hamsters did it!
it ain’t broke, it doesn’t have enough features yet.
modified 20-Oct-19 21:02pm.
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Well, they're technically not wrong. They're just leaving off extremely important information, but that's standard business stuff. You don't lie, you just leave off the important bits.
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"We know we can fix these vehicles to meet emissions standards," Horn said, adding that a potential fix would likely have a "slight impact on performance. One or two miles of top speed might be missing."
He think his mind reads it "we KNEW and that's why we went for this trick" :evil:. They are actually blaming software engineers for not implementing a quality AI that detects, if a secret enquiry is happening and continue act innocent for any longer- as long as it senses someone stalking 
Starting to think people post kid pics in their profiles because that was the last time they were cute - Jeremy.
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Well... since the executive do not really do anything, they can hardly be guilty of anything, can they?! 
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So they're not only frauds, but also liars and cowards...
And they're already being hired by other companies for top functions.
We live in a messed up world 
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Are they foolhardy or just desperate? Some "rogue" programmer might have documented the assignment. Any civil servant would certainly have done so. And if the effect really was neglible, why ever take the risk?
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It stated on the news that a couple of "rogue programmers" were responsible. Does anyone seriously believe this is the truth?! Seriously. A couple of programmers managed to hack the software and no-one noticed? Not one person reviewed their code, not one person questioned why they made the changes they did, no one raised a single concern!
Bullsh*t!
We all know this directive came from the very top. Maybe they didn't explicitly mention anything about hacking the on-board software in the cars, but the directive would have been "Make the cars appear more efficient and cleaner and we will provide huge monetary incentives".
Typically the big dicks at the top of the tree are sh*tting all over those at the bottom. What complete assholes!
Sorry, but this makes me really angry  . And relax 
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There's a basic flaw in that theory: Software developers are inherently lazy.
Unless specifically directed to otherwise, they're going to report the data as it is, because that's the path of least resistance.
They don't care whether the engineers get the auto to EPA standards. They'd be much more likely to say, "well, go fix your engineering problem."
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(cue dramatic music)
Jeremy Falcon
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Dramatic Music[^]
Kevin Priddle
Editor and Special Projects Manager - CodeProject
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(I did not read the article)
I don't know what the precedent is, drunken man vandalize private (?) property.
I'd rather be phishing!
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We know that around the world law enforcement agencies collect fingerprints of all those arrested for crimes.
In addition, the US has been collecting ingerprints of all those who apply for any kind of visa.
Am I paranoid in thinking that the fingerprint readers used in cellphones, tablets and the like send our index finger print straight to the FBI, NSA, etc.?
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If you doubt it, then no. They don't send the data to any of such agencies, like NSA, FBI etc. etc. 
The sh*t I complain about
It's like there ain't a cloud in the sky and it's raining out - Eminem
~! Firewall !~
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Afzaal, do you have a source for your categorical statement?
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Sure, he's the one who sends the fingerprints to FBI, NSA, etc.
I never finish anyth
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Let's put it this way, if you someone knew that they were collecting your fingerprints, then the spooks wouldn't be doing their job very well.
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That's just crazy thinking!
Please swipe your cell phone again the last reading was unreadable!
New version: WinHeist Version When you have eliminated the JavaScript, whatever remains must be an empty page. Unknown
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I don't use them anyways. First - anyone whom I give my cellphone must be able to use it. Second - I don't trust the MTBF of those readers, plus with wet/injured hands or dirty surface they would create troubles.
With all the backdoors installed on both Android and iOS I wouldn't doubt it, someone is receiving those data.
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If you think 'goto' is evil, try writing an Assembly program without JMP. -- TNCaver
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