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So, now we know. Shipping the developer edition in Q1 2016 and costs $3000.
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Went to check the site - it's all wrong...in all browsers...
Skipper: We'll fix it.
Alex: Fix it? How you gonna fix this?
Skipper: Grit, spit and a whole lotta duct tape.
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Yes. I'm supposed to write the Pluralsight course for it so I'd better get one first 
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Definitely. They do look Alpha at the moment - but hopefully the developer version will give people the chance to put them through their paces and really nail down any issues.
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This thread[^] is sparking some debate in the new section, but we should probably do that here, right?
So, the first thing is notice is that I find myself really hating string interpolation with a passion. Anything in a string should be string, not some sneaky variable name. C# is not PHP.
Await in catch/finally sounds great though. In the past I've needed ugly hacks to approximate that.
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Well, those strings aren't normal strings when you add the $ prefix... It's syntactic sugar for a more readable string.format.
Haven't used the async/await stuff yet, as I'm still stuck on VS2010 / .NET 4.0 (Sucks to be the only .NET programmer in a Java shop)...
Some of the changes look useful though...
* Static initializers - Very situational, but would help with some of the legacy code I support
* Auto property initializers - Nice
* Dictionary initializers - Uh, ok... But the old method was good enough
* String interpolation - Sure
* nameOf() - Somewhat useful
* Expression-bodied functions - Um, ok... So it's a Func<>, but it looks almost like a method... Meh
* Exception filters - I suppose... But imagine how badly this will be abused by horrible coders
* Await in try/catch - As above, haven't used async/await yet, so dunno
* Null conditional - YES! So many null checks that all do the same damn thing...
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Ian Shlasko wrote: Expression-bodied functions - Um, ok... So it's a Func<>, but it looks almost like a method... Meh
Almost - it's a regular method that looks like a lambda function.
"These people looked deep within my soul and assigned me a number based on the order in which I joined."
- Homer
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The null check will be dead useful, not sure if I'd adopt much of the other stuff. But then I still for "foreach" like the dinosaur I am.
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F-ES Sitecore wrote: I still for "foreach" like the dinosaur I am
No! Use for whenever you can! Avoid foreach and its ilk unless it's the only thing that will work.
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What's wrong with foreach?
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Not as efficient as a for for the same task.
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OK, but that may be a bit outdated - for example, the difference between
private static int test1(int[] ar)
{
int sum = 0;
foreach (var i in ar)
{
sum += i;
}
return sum;
}
and
private static int test2(int[] ar)
{
int sum = 0;
for (int i = 0; i < ar.Length; i++)
{
sum += ar[i];
}
return sum;
}
Is .. not much. The loop bodies are
_loop1:
mov eax,dword ptr [rdx+r9+10h]
add ecx,eax
inc r8d
add r9,4
cmp r8d,r10d
jl _loop1
_loop2:
mov eax,dword ptr [rdx+r9+10h]
add ecx,eax
inc r8d
add r9,4
cmp r8d,r10d
jl _loop2
Literally the same thing, it even used the same registers.
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Now try the for in reverse. And try it with something more complex than an array of ints.
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Well you can't foreach in reverse so..
Obviously for is more general.
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foreach is more general in that it can work on any IEnumerable, whereas for is more general in that it doesn't require an IEnumerable. ::shrug::
I find that for, particularly a reverse for (which reduces calls to Length or Count or whatever), can perform much better than foreach. Though the actual time saved may not be significant, still you don't know what else is going on in the system.
On why to use DataViews[^]
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harold aptroot wrote: What's wrong with foreach?
The young'uns prefer using linq for everything these days. Apparently unreadable, single-line, non-debugabble code using slow features like anonymous methods is the way to go
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* Static initializers - I can't imagine using it for Console.WriteLine or something (we always type cw{Tab} anyway, right?) And there's a problem that some methods don't have an intuitive name without the class name, like Tuple.Create. But I like that I can now import extension methods from classes instead of namespaces.
* Auto property initializers - Very neat. Should have been there from the beginning.
* Dictionary initializers - I guess it's a more intuitive way of writing this particular code but was it absolutely necessary? No. Now we just have 2 slightly different ways of writing the same thing.
* String interpolation - I agree it doesn't look pretty, but the old way ({0},{1},{2},etc) didn't look pretty either.
* nameof() - Very small feature, but it makes sense to use it everywhere you can.
* Expression-bodied members - I think this is a confusing feature. It doesn't even save that much typing. Methods don't look like methods anymore and properties no longer have a 'get' keyword.
* Exception filters - Should be useful on rare occasions, but will be abused more often.
* Await in catch/finally - Without it, async/await is an incomplete feature, so it should be there, but I don't expect to use it much.
* Null conditional - This takes away a lot of ugly, boring, annoying code. Very nice. But it will make C# more cryptic for novice programmers.
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Static Using Syntax - I think its usefulness really depends on the use-case. If you have a class that makes heavy use of Console or static members in Math, it can be beneficial; otherwise, things might get weird easily.
Auto-Property Initializers - I don't use much of the syntactic sugar since C# 3.0, but it's good for people who like it because this feature makes auto properties complete.
Dictionary Initializers - I don't really care.
String Interpolation - Looks better than the String.Format syntax but can be problematic when it comes to localization. Still, I like it a lot.
nameof() Expression - A small but very welcome feature, I use it everywhere I can. This one really shines in Roslyn-based refactorings.
Expression-bodied Methods and Properties - I don't really care, not too beneficial.
Exception Filters - I guess this one has been supported by the CLR ever since, now it is exposed by C#. Can be useful, but like many others I see a large abuse vector.
Await in Catch/Finally - I don't do much async stuff, but it makes the whole feature complete.
Null-Conditional Operator - Surely a nice to have shortcut, but it makes the code harder to read, especially for people who are not used to it.
I think this version of C# brought some very welcome additions, but it's also beginning to get seriously bloated. Too much choices and syntactic sugar can become problematic and a mess if you're working on projects with different kinds of coding guidelines.
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So, I was just looking at this tip/trick - Sql Query Execution Order[^] and, okay, the spelling isn't great but the content is interesting enough - thought it worth a 3 (it could be expanded and felt like he'd cut it short). However, prior to that it had two 5 votes and two 1 votes. A little extreme. Perhaps voting should be tied to a comment - I know we've had this debate before but if the two 1 voters thought the post that bad, they should be prepared to say why or is the author expected to guess what might have caused them to vote that way? On the other hand, are the two 5 voters the author and a secondary account? We need to know these things, we demand to know!!!
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been there done that (vote and comments).
Voting 1 or 5 and adding a "no comment" comment is more useless than no comment at all.
I hate witch hunting of all sorts (more so on the internets).
I'd rather be phishing!
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Maximilien wrote: I hate witch hunting of all sorts (more so on the internets).
I realize that there is no real cure for this malaise. 
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I disagree, I have some idiot commented an article down vote with a . I at least know who the person is and can discount the input. CM was kind enough to reverse the value and I refrained from returning the favour.
Never underestimate the power of human stupidity
RAH
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