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Cornelius Henning wrote: It's delicious as a seasoning on some foods.
Could be. American food doesn't really use it much. Not to where you can still smell it.
There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.
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I hate vinegar on food, well chips (fries), which is pretty much the only thing it gets added to, aside from actual pickled foods of course.
Some men are born mediocre, some men achieve mediocrity, and some men have mediocrity thrust upon them.
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You really need to try my mother's German potato salad; warm, vinegary, with a little bit of sour cream on top.
:drool:
Software Zen: delete this;
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Darn you! I had just had my lunch, read your post and now I am hungry again!
- I would love to change the world, but they won’t give me the source code.
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Cornelius Henning wrote: little hole-in-the-wall shop
Do they deliver take-away? Post the number please.
What we got here is a failure to communicate
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How do we preserve the wisdom men will need,
when their violent passions are spent?
- The Lost Horizon
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So I've been using/suggesting AVG free for any number of machines. Comes Oct 15th and they'll become spyware.
Set up my firewall to keep it locked down, except for the occasional update - but they may be when they grab all the private data they've cached - so that seems like a poor option.
Replacing it.
I looked at a number of other on-line items with decent reputations, but, upon reading the TOS I found them to all be similarly busy minding my business.
Any suggestions about thrifty (==free) alternatives (Mostly Win7)?
| "The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits." - Albert Einstein | | "As far as we know, our computer has never had an undetected error." - Weisert | | "If you are searching for perfection in others, then you seek disappointment. If you are seek perfection in yourself, then you will find failure." - Balboos HaGadol Mar 2010 |
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I have used AVG Free on many of my machines upgrading to paid when I have the cash! But I think Security Essentials seems to be the least evil option. I have heard good things about F-secure...
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For me it's like this:
-Win 7: MSE and malware bytes to scan every now and then(free or paid version)
-Win 8/Win 10: Windows Defender and malware bytes scanning every now and then
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Avast, are there any others?
Avast[^]
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Avast was actually the first 'free' alternative I checked - privacy policy didn't seem to be any better - I'll check again.
Thanks.
| "The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits." - Albert Einstein | | "As far as we know, our computer has never had an undetected error." - Weisert | | "If you are searching for perfection in others, then you seek disappointment. If you are seek perfection in yourself, then you will find failure." - Balboos HaGadol Mar 2010 |
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I stick with MSE/Windows Defender...never have any problems with viruses.
An essential cleanup tool for your toolbox is 'AutoRuns': https://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/sysinternals/bb963902[^]
...not just to remove something viral, but there is so much spyware/adware in everything these days that you need to forcefully remove it. It does a pretty good job of highlighting the things your computer is loading that are unusual. Very good for getting rid of browser hijacks as well.
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DaveX86 wrote: I stick with MSE/Windows Defender...never have any problems with viruses.
None, that you're aware of 
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Well that's true of any anti-virus measure, isn't it? I do have evidence that it works in so far as it has detected a few 'attacks' and dealt with them over the past year and if anything's slipped through it hasn't manifested itself. That's really all you can hope for.
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Yeah, I know. Hence the Joke Icon 
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Too bad it can't detect all that new Windows 10 spying 
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I use AVG all over the place and haven't heard anything about it becoming "spyware". Can you provide more details or a reference, please?
- I would love to change the world, but they won’t give me the source code.
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The Insider News[^]
GCS d--- s-/++ a- C++++ U+++ P- L- E-- W++ N++ o+ K- w+++ O? M-- V? PS+ PE- Y+ PGP t++ 5? X R++ tv-- b+ DI+++ D++ G e++>+++ h--- ++>+++ y+++* Weapons extension: ma- k++ F+2 X
If you think 'goto' is evil, try writing an Assembly program without JMP. -- TNCaver
"When you have eliminated the JavaScript, whatever remains must be an empty page." -- Mike Hankey
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Thanks, I missed that. I read the article and the new privacy policies and am not bothered by it. Amazon, Google and lots of other places affect ad placement based on what I do already. It doesn't bother me a bit so I shall carry on using AVG, and recommending it with caveats, for now.
- I would love to change the world, but they won’t give me the source code.
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It is feasible to avoid Amazon, Google and such, clearing the cookies and using the private navigation helps, also you could use TOR.
With the control embedded in the antivirus even browsers running on TOR, I2P or VPNs are controlled - that means there is no escape whatsoever. I'm glad I have no AVG around anymore.
GCS d--- s-/++ a- C++++ U+++ P- L- E-- W++ N++ o+ K- w+++ O? M-- V? PS+ PE- Y+ PGP t++ 5? X R++ tv-- b+ DI+++ D++ G e++>+++ h--- ++>+++ y+++* Weapons extension: ma- k++ F+2 X
If you think 'goto' is evil, try writing an Assembly program without JMP. -- TNCaver
"When you have eliminated the JavaScript, whatever remains must be an empty page." -- Mike Hankey
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The problem lies in that, of the several options I looked into, they all seemed to have the same plan. The key is reading the privacy terms during install before you accept them.
I was just looking a BitDefender - and couldn't seem to find their privacy terms anywhere on their site. Probably, yet again, an install-time option.
| "The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits." - Albert Einstein | | "As far as we know, our computer has never had an undetected error." - Weisert | | "If you are searching for perfection in others, then you seek disappointment. If you are seek perfection in yourself, then you will find failure." - Balboos HaGadol Mar 2010 |
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All this brought me to my mind: some time ago I was working for a morally dubious site, and part of the job was to keep updated on the competitors. Now, I wouldn't want those datas collected and sold and receive that content based avertisements...
GCS d--- s-/++ a- C++++ U+++ P- L- E-- W++ N++ o+ K- w+++ O? M-- V? PS+ PE- Y+ PGP t++ 5? X R++ tv-- b+ DI+++ D++ G e++>+++ h--- ++>+++ y+++* Weapons extension: ma- k++ F+2 X
If you think 'goto' is evil, try writing an Assembly program without JMP. -- TNCaver
"When you have eliminated the JavaScript, whatever remains must be an empty page." -- Mike Hankey
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den2k88 wrote: I was working for a morally dubious site,
. . . noted . . .
| "The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits." - Albert Einstein | | "As far as we know, our computer has never had an undetected error." - Weisert | | "If you are searching for perfection in others, then you seek disappointment. If you are seek perfection in yourself, then you will find failure." - Balboos HaGadol Mar 2010 |
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W∴ Balboos wrote: . . . noted . . .
I was young and needed the money!
GCS d--- s-/++ a- C++++ U+++ P- L- E-- W++ N++ o+ K- w+++ O? M-- V? PS+ PE- Y+ PGP t++ 5? X R++ tv-- b+ DI+++ D++ G e++>+++ h--- ++>+++ y+++* Weapons extension: ma- k++ F+2 X
If you think 'goto' is evil, try writing an Assembly program without JMP. -- TNCaver
"When you have eliminated the JavaScript, whatever remains must be an empty page." -- Mike Hankey
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