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And every Joe in IT has full access to everything and can make copies to sell.
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Mike Marynowski wrote: Why all the privacy hysteria these days?
It's not where does it start, it's where it stops. It's creepy in some regards, and I mean hell you already can't board and airplane now without exposing yourself to the scanners. It's dehumanizing it what it is. It's a bit too analytical and too logical.
We ain't machines. We be people. And sadly, most people into tech know very little about people.
Jeremy Falcon
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I understand, but then why not put up a stink once questionable policies get put into the EULA, as opposed to when the reasonable ones are in there?
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Fear sells. Just look at the news. Fear and greed are two of the strongest human emotions.
Jeremy Falcon
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The average Joe will never read a EULA. They're boring. However, some reporter type who is looking to create an uproar to get more readers might, and then make a stink of it.
Jeremy Falcon
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You have some good examples there of why you should be very cautious to agreeing to data collection and take precautions when doing anything you don't want others to find out about, but those don't relate specifically to my examples.
I used my examples specifically because in the application example it was *aggregate* usage data being collected, and the GMail example because they *already* have your email contents - all they were doing was scanning them internally to select an Ad for you. On Gmail, while you are looking at your emails. Not on other google services.
There's tons of examples of data collection gone wrong, I know, but I'm specifically talking about very limited and targeted usage of data collection.
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Mike Marynowski wrote: There's tons of examples of data collection gone wrong, I know, but I'm specifically talking about very limited and targeted usage of data collection.
What really constitute limited, targeted and anonymized data usage? It might be very limited and targeted usage (if you choose to believe), but what happens when sh*t hits the fan? AOL data supposed to be anonymous.
Another example that I've just remembered: Motorola Is Listening[^]
I don't know what their privacy policy looked like, but I'm sure as hell it didn't say they were collecting passwords and send them over unsecured HTTP channel 
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The problem is that we (as consumers) do not know that a company will remove non-anonymous data from their anonymous data;
(grossly exaggerated) Most company will probably just have a SQL query with anonymous data from a large database.
I'd rather be phishing!
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Nobody wants anybody else to know how much Pr0n they have collected! 
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Anonymous
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I'd just like a chance to prove that money can't make me happy.
Me, all the time
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But, I'm already running out of the GBs!
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Mike Marynowski wrote: WHY??? They aren't sharing the contents of your emails to anyone
Yes, they are.
Bastard Programmer from Hell 
If you can't read my code, try converting it here[^]
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The particular feature I'm referencing has nothing to do with that though.
Posted an epilogue edit to my original post.
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Take it to the Soap Box.
In my opinion... the biggest problem is vagueness and a total lack of enforcibility.
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Why would I do that? I prefer a civil discussion and this isn't a rant.
I suppose I'm starting to see the problem but freaking out about a reasonable clause in the EULA isn't going to help the situation. If company's receive tons of backlash for even the most basic aggregate data collection then they will just do it without letting you know. Especially the kind of company that will tell you they are only collecting aggregate data but collecting more than just that. The chances of being caught are pretty low.
I think perhaps some regulations should be put into place about *exactly* how aggregate data or anonymized data must be stored. I'm not particularly versed in this area so if someone knows more about existing regulations in this regard I would be curious to know. I did a bunch of work in credit card processing and what you can store, how to store it, and how to use is it outlined in exacting detail when getting a new system certified.
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It's Politically Charged.
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Not really, I just want to know what reason people have for personally being worried about basic data collection policies. People aren't going to start throwing personal shots at each other because someone doesn't care about their privacy. We aren't discussing abortions here...
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Mike Marynowski wrote: Why all the privacy hysteria these days?
Because, because, because. That's why, that's why, that's why. You can tell people til you're blue in the face that they release more 'private' information about themselves every time they use a debit or credit card, make a phone call, register to vote, join a library, or apply for a driver's licence or passport, but people are basically incredibly dense when it comes to risk assessment of any kind. According to recent worries, after all, we should all be wandering in the desert with mad cow disease, those of us that somehow managed to avoid dying of AIDS or bird flu that is! Hysteria sells papers, panic is an economic opportunity like no other! The last thing you want to be doing is attempting to muddy the waters with fact and logic. Just hunker down, see out the storm, and wait for somebody to come up with something new for people to get themselves all het up about, then count all the money you made from selling the tin hats!
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The privacy matter is not hysteria 
Bastard Programmer from Hell
If you can't read my code, try converting it here[^]
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Because my business is my business! If I wanted all my stuff out on the internet for everyone's perusal, I would give it to my ex. 
New version: WinHeist Version When you have eliminated the JavaScript, whatever remains must be an empty page. Unknown
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I guess I mostly just don't care, I'm generally an open book, but everything spoken about in this thread has cleared up the issue to the general public for me. I posted an epilogue edit to my original post with my final stance
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In practice I pretty much have the same stance as you in your epilogue. But it pays to be aware. The danger comes in when when it's inappropriately used to catalog you. For instance, on Facebook, I will look at a lot of conservative articles even though I'm not conservative because I believe true knowledge comes from knowing both sides. So now Facebook continually suggests articles along those lines for me. It still weirds me out when Facebook is able to access what I've viewed on Ebay or Amazon and adds pop up with those items in my feed.
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???
No troll  Posted an epilogue edit to my original post to summarize my new feelings on the issue.
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