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Eddy Vluggen wrote: I can build a page that does nothing using plain HTML.
Eddy Vluggen wrote: Use what is appropriate to solve the problem. Not more, not less.
I completely agree. However, out of the box, VS2015 is adding unnecessary complexity and making it harder to manage what should be a simple part of the process: VS2014 deposits around 10% of the files that VS2015 does for a similar action. I have my own "projects" that I use as a starting point and thay have any cruft removed. That job just got much harder!
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Alternative?[^] 
Seriously though, when I just want to test some stuff or write out some simple HTML or JavaScript I prefer a simple text editor (with some plugins installed).
I also recommend anyone who starts web development to use Notepad++ until they're familiar with HTML, JavaScript and some simple back-end with PHP or Node.js (so we can stick with Notepad++) and only then move to Visual Studio and C#.
The crap Visual Studio generates is insane... You get Knockout, jQuery, jQuery Validation, Antlr, and who knows what BY DEFAULT!
I don't even know what half of that stuff is and half of the time (if not more) I won't even need it!
We need the web to be more like a Console app. All you get is Program.cs, which is nice
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Yup, use NotePad++ a lot - great tool. However, if you are in a team that use VS/TFS then you really don't have much choice about how it all works. As I said, I keep minimal black-box projects ready to go that have a tiny footprint compared to the default that VS emits. However, bear in mind that there are a large number of developers that just want to create a project in the IDE and get on with it.
Still, thought it worth making the point about the spaghetti of files and folders that the new version creates.
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R. Giskard Reventlov wrote: bear in mind that there are a large number of developers that just want to create a project in the IDE and get on with it
The problem I have with that, especially for beginners, is that it obfuscates what's really happening.
Developers think jQuery equals JavaScript and that MVC is something Microsoft invented.
Doing a little 'vanilla' Node.js or PHP (with XAMPP, for example) really opens your eyes.
Of course a lot is still abstracted away, but at least an AJAX call is more (or less?) than a method (with nicely parsed/typed parameters) on a Controller.
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I don't disagree with anything you see. However, the reality for the vast majority of developers is that you pitch up at your latest contract/role and it's "here's VS and TFS, get on with it". The developer may know that he/she could have cut the bloat had they started the project but that isn't always a choice.
Perhaps a good article for someone would be to show how to create and use a minimal footprint project template. And by someone, of course, I mean you!
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R. Giskard Reventlov wrote: you pitch up at your latest contract/role and it's "here's VS and TFS, get on with it"
Yep, so do I. It's easiest by far.
I cut some obvious bloat, but leave most in place.
But at least I know what they are, kind of what's going on, etc.
R. Giskard Reventlov wrote: Perhaps a good article for someone would be to show how to create and use a minimal footprint project template. And by someone, of course, I mean you!
That's not a bad idea! Unfortunately I don't have a lot of time, homework and such (see my message above) 
Maybe, someday...
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R. Giskard Reventlov wrote: but surely that is just an unmanagable mess of crap.
Nah...they are just getting ready for when your single app becomes the sole product of a Fortune 500 company...because that of course is the most likely scenario for every single app out there.
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R. Giskard Reventlov wrote: Incredibly this left me with a folder structure that comprises 4,665 folders and 19,566 files for a web application that is 3 pages and does nothing!
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ASP.NET...MVC...
Why are you using archaic technologies and paradigms?
Marc
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I maintain our company's collection of development tools. A few months ago, I had a request for some useful utility to be included in the project toolbox. Sure - it was a free, open source tool, available at no cost.
It took ages to install - first time around I was convinced that the machine had locked up. When it finally came to life again, the number of files had increased by 300,000! I went to the project leader to verify that they really wanted another .3 million files on each and every developer PC, just for this litte utility. Oh, no - they didn't need all those libraries and stuff, just the core functionality! So I reinstalled, this time only the minimal set of files. 73,000 of them, that's the minimal set. Sigh.
So VS2015 is not alone. (And while we are at it: Rumours are that the five volume hardcover series "GCC compiler options listed" will be published in a real leatherbound edition before Christmas, suitable as a gift to open source preachers...)
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But you are using some morons template, you cant blame MSFT for that. Blame the twat that wrote it, mr Rehan Saeed apparently.
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I don't think it is entirely his fault: he is just collating many of the 'useful' libraries and functionality you would probbaly add. In reality, a bare-assed install is 2112 files and 523 folders. Crazy.
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New landlord told me that comcast is my one and only option at that apartment.
I would truly love to get around that.
Anyone who hates AT&T, understood. I want to stick with them. Really I do.
I swear this should be declared illegal, anti-competitive, and restraint of free trade.
But then, I don't have enough money to buy the law.
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Why is it the only option? If it's the landlord's diktat then you can't really blame Comcast.
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Good point.
Can't blame comcast ???
Okay, possibly, maybe, the Landlord decided, "We will only have one Internet provider, we don't want prospective residents to have a choice of what they like"
At least here where I am (leaving soon) I could choose between the two.
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AT&T is not an option.
I saw that EPB (The electric utility) had a Fiber signal for sale. I got happy, for a moment.
Nope, the agent on the phone specifically told me "we are not allowed to go in there".
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New digs in Tennessee for 3 months.
Need Electric utility account.
Is EPB the only game in town ?
Tried asking Google, ha ha.
modified 17-Sep-15 16:24pm.
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Homework problem.
Q: On the (x,y) coordinate system, you start at (0,0) and want to get to (14,14). At each step n, you move exactly n steps either right or up. So initially, you can only move 1 unit right or up, then 2, then 3, etc. How many paths are there to (14,14)?
A: He got one on his own and he understood the symmetry and got 2. I told him my answer and why.
Anyone wants to try?
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7 8 9
Mongo: Mongo only pawn... in game of life.
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I get 8 paths. You can move up to the point where the sum of 1-n = 28. This happens at n = 7. (1 + 2 + 3 + 4 + 5 + 6 + 7 = 28).
So the question is how many ways can you divide numbers 1-7 into two groups of 14? I count 8 ways.
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