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from the Phaedrus (circa 370 BCE): 'additions' in italics

I heard, then, that at Naucratis, in Egypt, was one of the ancient gods of that country, the one whose sacred bird is called the ibis, and the name of the god himself was Theuth. He it was who invented numbers and arithmetic and geometry and astronomy, also draughts and dice, and, most important of all, letters the internet.

Now the king of all Egypt at that time was the god Thamus, who lived in a great city of the upper region, which the Greeks call the Egyptian Thebes, and they call the god himself Ammon. To him came Theuth to show his inventions, saying that they ought to be imparted to the other Egyptians.

But Thamus asked what use there was in each, and as Theuth enumerated their uses, expressed praise or blame of the various arts which it would take too long to repeat; but when they came to letters the internet:

'This invention, O king,' said Theuth, 'will make the Egyptians wiser and will improve their memories; for it is an elixir of memory and wisdom that I have dis­covered.'

But Thamus replied, 'Most ingenious Theuth, one man has the ability to beget arts, but the ability to judge of their use­ fulness or harmfulness to their users belongs to another; and now you, who are the father of letters, the internet have been led by your affection to ascribe to them a power the opposite of that which they really possess.

For this invention will produce forgctfulness in the minds of those who learn to use it, because they will not practise their memory.

Their trust in writing search engines, produced by external characters rapacious companies who do not give an obol for privacy which are not part of themselves they have no control over will discourage the use of their own memory within them.

You have invented an elixir not of memory but of reminding; and you offer your pupils the appearance of wisdom, not true wisdom, for they will read many things without instruction and will therefore seem to know many things, when they are for the most part ignorant and hard to get along with, since they are not wise, but only appear wise."
«I want to stay as close to the edge as I can without going over. Out on the edge you see all kinds of things you can't see from the center» Kurt Vonnegut.

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