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RyanDev wrote: because of their software.
Really? I think you give them too much credit. If not Microsoft, it would have been some other tech company supplying development tools. Surely Microsoft's operating systems and development tools are just that... tools.
Disclaimer: I'm not dissing Microsoft here. I just don't hold them on some pedestal.
There are two types of people in this world: those that pronounce GIF with a soft G, and those who do not deserve to speak words, ever.
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Mike Mullikin wrote: it would have been some other tech company supplying development tools
Who? Apple doesn't. Linux doesn't. Who then?
Mike Mullikin wrote: I just don't hold them on some pedestal.
They changed the computer industry and have always been the best (in my time at least) with the tools and products. No one is better. That doesn't deserve a pedestal but I find it odd how people love to hate on Microsoft, and often over very little things too. Many of our careers exist because Microsoft products are not perfect or complete. We make them better.
There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.
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RyanDev wrote: Who? Apple doesn't. Linux doesn't. Who then?
Ummmm... actually Apple does provide free development tools for their operating systems (OS X and iOS). There are several open source development tools, compilers, debuggers, frameworks, etc... for Linux. There have even been other DOS/Windows development tools such as Borland.
Plus (and more to my point) Microsoft just happened to be in the right place at the right time and made some shrewd business decisions (along with some unethical ones) to create the desktop monopoly they enjoy today. Could easily have been Xerox, IBM, Apple, Borland, Digital Research, DEC, Novell, TI, or a host of others.
RyanDev wrote: I find it odd how people love to hate on Microsoft
I certainly don't hate Microsoft. They've created some good products over the years. They've also created some real turds. I just don't believe that they are particularly great - especially these days.
There are two types of people in this world: those that pronounce GIF with a soft G, and those who do not deserve to speak words, ever.
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Mike Mullikin wrote: Ummmm... actually Apple does provide free development tools for their operating systems (OS X and iOS). There are several open source development tools, compilers, debuggers, frameworks, etc... for Linux. There have even been other DOS/Windows development tools such as Borland.
Of course, but none come close to the tools that Microsoft have.
Quote: Could easily have been Xerox, IBM, Apple, Borland, Digital Research, DEC, Novell, TI, or a host of others.
Yet 20 years later and they still have not done better than Microsoft.  So, no, I don't think it could have easily been others. Microsoft had the vision to make their products developable for developers. Apple said no way, and look where that got them.
There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.
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Mike Mullikin wrote: Could easily have been ... DEC
Did you ever use DECwindows? 
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Nope. Did you ever use MS Windows 2.0?
There are two types of people in this world: those that pronounce GIF with a soft G, and those who do not deserve to speak words, ever.
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I used MS Windows 2.0 once. Once.
And before that I had some experience using GEM.
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PIEBALDconsult wrote: I had some experience using GEM.
Ahhh... GEM! Hence my mention of Digital Research. Pretty advanced for it's day. Our friends at Microsoft and Apple both "borrowed" a bit from Digital Research. Hell, Microsoft practically "borrowed" all of DOS (ie. CP/M) from Digital Research. Just another reason for my statements about how it could easily have been some other tech firm rather than Microsoft...
There are two types of people in this world: those that pronounce GIF with a soft G, and those who do not deserve to speak words, ever.
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Yep, one important example of the folly of being the "first to market" (or early anyway) -- the smart move is to hang back and see what the competition does and how it's received by the public, then sweep in with a simpler/cheaper product. Let the competition do the market research for you.
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You have to wonder why they ever bothered with beta testers - I was one for a couple of DOS versions back in the day. It didn't matter what you reported, they always just ignored you.
That attitude clearly hasn't changed... 
Bad command or file name. Bad, bad command! Sit! Stay! Staaaay...
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I actually got to talk to someone at Microsoft when I had trouble with disc 11 of 13 while installing Windows 95. No one there has acknowledged any communication, nor deigned to respond in any way to any feedback or request for assistance since. Microsoft doesn't do customer service.
Will Rogers never met me.
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"If you can't say anything nice, don't say anything at all" (as in "if it's broken, we don't want to hear about it!") 
How do you know so much about swallows? Well, you have to know these things when you're a king, you know.
modified 31-Aug-21 21:01pm.
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Was that a nice thing to say?
| "The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits." - Albert Einstein | | "As far as we know, our computer has never had an undetected error." - Weisert | | "If you are searching for perfection in others, then you seek disappointment. If you are seek perfection in yourself, then you will find failure." - Balboos HaGadol Mar 2010 |
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Well I liked it
How do you know so much about swallows? Well, you have to know these things when you're a king, you know.
modified 31-Aug-21 21:01pm.
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I never ever used the feedback smiley, I even went so far and removed it from the title bar via an extension because it's annoying to have it sitting there (but not because I'm grumpy all the time and hate the smile  ). Providing a feedback command in the Help menu would be sufficient, and given the fact that they don't seem to care so much about feedback in reality, it doesn't really deserve such a prominent place (but it's a good alibi).
I used Connect only once so far, complaining about the fact that I constantly have to renew my MSA log-in credentials because the token expires after 12 hours or so and VS 2015 can't handle two-factor authentication anymore. This wasn't an issue in VS 2013. It was closed down (of course), on the grounds that they changed how log-in works (so it's by design). 
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This one is actually from a news paper...also nuclear related
HIJKLMNO/lb (5,5)
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Japan Japan
or
Booom Booom
or
Hiros hima!
Rules for the FOSW ![ ^]
if(this.signature != "")
{
MessageBox.Show("This is my signature: " + Environment.NewLine + signature);
}
else
{
MessageBox.Show("404-Signature not found");
}
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HEAVY WATER
Like it!
HIJKLMNO == H to O == H2O
Bad command or file name. Bad, bad command! Sit! Stay! Staaaay...
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Yup - and "/lb" => over weight => heavy
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Ahh, just like the librarian Atoz in Star Trek[^]
The language is JavaScript. that of Mordor, which I will not utter here
This is Javascript. If you put big wheels and a racing stripe on a golf cart, it's still a f***ing golf cart.
"I don't know, extraterrestrial?"
"You mean like from space?"
"No, from Canada."
If software development were a circus, we would all be the clowns.
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I didn't know you spoke Orangutan. Ook, ook ook. Ook ook?
veni bibi saltavi
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Hey! Watch your language - there may be lady Orangutans present!
- I would love to change the world, but they won’t give me the source code.
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