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Ian Shlasko wrote: Sounds to me like they focused on making it easy for all of the new installs and the computer-illiterates, while screwing over those of us who know what we're doing. Pretty dumb move, since when that "Upgrade to Windows 10" thing pops up, those illiterates ask US whether it's safe to click on.
Ian,
That's exactly what I was thinking. Glad I kept it confined to a VM to play with first. Was easy to delete: it's not going to touch any of my "live" systems!
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Very interesting: I have resisted the quite strong urge to upgrade and will not now do so. Windows 7 works very well, thank you and I see no need to cause myself a large dose of pain to upgrade to a system that, frankly, is not getting rave reviews here from anyone.
I will wait until I buy a new machine that comes with it, perhaps after it has gone through a decent patching/upgrade/fix period.
The urge to buy new shiny toys has lost it's appeal after being let down so many times by the promise of wonder but the delivery of disappointment.
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Your post could have been written by me. Exactly. I sat here and watched (even played with it in a VM, checked to make sure my applications run there, etc.) Still ... there wasn't one (not ONE) feature offered that made me feel an OS retool was necessary; plus I hated the GUI!
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I agree. It is quite an improvement on my wife's system, because that was 8.1. But mine was Windows 7, and I have not yet seen anything that I would class as 'much better'. My main gripe is the "slide scroll" on my laptop's touchpad does not work in any of the new style apps. But I am going to stick with it, but only to save more pain sometime in the future. It seems Microsoft never learned the lessons of Vista; or they did, but then destroyed the collective memory.
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Thanks, up-voted for the detailed write-up!
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Quote: So: should you upgrade?
Possibly. Lubuntu is waiting for you. 
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Indeed, I switched to Kubuntu; so thank you Microsoft for finally pushing me to make areal effort with Linux.
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If I wasn't so deeply invested in development for the Microsoft platform (I.E. just a 'user') I'd have switched to my MacBook pro and OS/X. I really hate to say that. As it is, I think when it comes to upgrading ANYTHING Microsoft I'm at a wall that I'm simply not going to climb. I develop for the desktop and web using VS2008 and tools that came out right about then. Everything works. My applications even run on Win10 without any modification. Absolutely nothing I'm doing (either now or the foreseeable future) depends on upgrading the OS or those tools again.
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I'd recommend checking out the newer versions of VS, especially if you use XAML.
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Thanks for the really nice feedback.
I have bookmarked it and I will use your arguments whenever someone asks me.
I had consider to give a try because I was about to buy a new laptop. But as the need is not so high right now I will patiently wait until SP2 or SP3.
Luckily I have a very nice backupy of my and my wife's Win7 laptop. As far as Hardware survives...
I think I will start having a look in Linux. Probably it is a better time investment for me right now.
M.D.V. 
If something has a solution... Why do we have to worry about?. If it has no solution... For what reason do we have to worry about?
Help me to understand what I'm saying, and I'll explain it better to you
Rating helpful answers is nice, but saying thanks can be even nicer.
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Nelek wrote: I think I will start having a look in Linux
Also install both Mono and Wine.
You'll miss having Visual Studio on there, regardless of what you do. The rest I did not miss.
I love WinForms; they're predictable for anyone who has ever dealt with them, and it is nice to have a stable environment to put them in.
Bastard Programmer from Hell 
If you can't read my code, try converting it here[^]
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Eddy Vluggen wrote: You'll miss having Visual Studio on there, regardless of what you do. The rest I did not miss.
I am quite away from VS last time. New job has nothing to do with it. But for private projects there is always VM-Ware or similars
Eddy Vluggen wrote: Also install both Mono and Wine.
I'll have a look, thanks for the tip
M.D.V.
If something has a solution... Why do we have to worry about?. If it has no solution... For what reason do we have to worry about?
Help me to understand what I'm saying, and I'll explain it better to you
Rating helpful answers is nice, but saying thanks can be even nicer.
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Eddy Vluggen wrote: I love WinForms; they're predictable for anyone who has ever dealt with them, and it is nice to have a stable environment to put them in.
Same here, it's what I base all my development on. My clients love the simple and reliable applications I develop for WinForms (and they run in Win10 too should anybody go there). Very mature development platform. I don't write "cute" games & stuff, just solid DB applications for small business.
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ClockMeister wrote: and they run in Win10 too should anybody go there
I do not consider Win10 "stable". Also not testing nor aiming at the platform.
Bastard Programmer from Hell 
If you can't read my code, try converting it here[^]
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I concur. I mainly point out that if you're developing WinForms applications there isn't much danger that your platform is going to go away. Whether they intended to or not, Microsoft (by swinging back toward desktop) vindicated any developer that has chosen to use that platform for expression. I.E., it ain't going away. Certainly not before you or I retire! 
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Thanks for the very helpful and specific points
I'm sticking with Win 7 for the moment.
“That which can be asserted without evidence, can be dismissed without evidence.”
― Christopher Hitchens
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I enjoyed Windows 8. Windows 10 is definitely better, so I really like Windows 10.
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Sacrilege, inferring that Vista is better than Win8(or any OS).
YOU SHOULD BE ASHAMED OF YOURSELF.
Bad Forogar.
Paulo Gomes
Over and Out 
Measuring programming progress by lines of code is like measuring aircraft building progress by weight.
—Bill Gates
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Actually, Win8.1 with a couple of tweaks is fine. (Start8 and starting up in desktop mode). I never see the "metro" unless I specifically want to play a game that's there or something but as a work environment it's just fine. As I said in another post I get happier by the day I chose to sit this upgrade out. I'd rather get work done for my clients than screw around with the OS any more.
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So, I have until 14th January 2020 to continue "Windows Update"ing. After that, perhaps Windows 10.1 will be available.
- I would love to change the world, but they won’t give me the source code.
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Thank you. I am now solidly committed to staying with W7.
Marc
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Funny, I use Win8 at work and enjoy it. I hated the start screen, but got used to it. When I want to start an app, I just press the windows key and type the name of it. It filters quickly and I get the app I"m looking for. On my home Win 10 machine, I press the windows key and type the name of the app. It does a local and web search and takes its sweet time before giving me choices. I then have to mouse over and click on the program from the choices.
Win 10 seems to make it harder to find my apps. Other than that, I try to spend all my time in my apps so I don't get disappointed.
Hogan
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in W8 you could disconnect your account and it was converted to the local one. Upgrade to W10 saved it for me, so perhaps this disconnection should be still available in W10. Just need to search it as they renamed and put in different places a lot of stuff from Control Panel.
I won't tell that it is better than W8. There are some typos in my localized UI, some new stuff such as Calculator looks odd and not polished, I don't see any performance improvements and I wish they get back different active and inactive window title colors. The last one is the smallest, but most critical for me, as I every time have to search where is my active window border.
My overall impression is that transition from W8 to W10 is similar to transition from Windows Server 2000 to Windows XP - hide everything what you can hide and make it simple for end-users. Perhaps should be better for kids and other people who are not familiar with computers
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