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TheGreatAndPowerfulOz wrote: The fact is the lightning flowed THROUGH the SKIN of the plane!
No, it is not. The lightning charged the surface of the plane. This charge dissipated to earth. There was at no time a current passing through the plane other than that provided by its own batteries down its own wires. Were that not the case the modern electrically operated plane would be all but impossible - it would simply fall out of the sky the moment it was struck by even the least powerful lightning which, as tyens, if not hundreds, of planes are struck a day across the world, would be rather inconvenient!
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LOL. Go learn some physics. See ya!
Decrease the belief in God, and you increase the numbers of those who wish to play at being God by being “society’s supervisors,” who deny the existence of divine standards, but are very serious about imposing their own standards on society.-Neal A. Maxwell
You must accept 1 of 2 basic premises: Either we are alone in the universe or we are not alone. Either way, the implications are staggering!-Wernher von Braun
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The shoe, I fear, is entirely on the other foot. I've given you many suggestions as to resources to correct your ignorance. If you can't be bothered to take advantage of them then by all means continue enjoying Fox News and National Enquirer level insight into the world around you.
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Ad hominem. That last desperate false "argumentation" of the ill-informed and self-righteous.
You know nothing about me.
TTYL.
Decrease the belief in God, and you increase the numbers of those who wish to play at being God by being “society’s supervisors,” who deny the existence of divine standards, but are very serious about imposing their own standards on society.-Neal A. Maxwell
You must accept 1 of 2 basic premises: Either we are alone in the universe or we are not alone. Either way, the implications are staggering!-Wernher von Braun
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Member 9082365 wrote: No, it is not. The lightning charged the surface of the plane. This charge dissipated to earth.
Aren't you two saying the same thing, just with different words? 
There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.
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Indeed. If it's "charging the surface of the plane", then it's "going through the skin of the plane". Sheesh.
Decrease the belief in God, and you increase the numbers of those who wish to play at being God by being “society’s supervisors,” who deny the existence of divine standards, but are very serious about imposing their own standards on society.-Neal A. Maxwell
You must accept 1 of 2 basic premises: Either we are alone in the universe or we are not alone. Either way, the implications are staggering!-Wernher von Braun
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Member 9082365 wrote: charged the surface of the plane. This charge dissipated to earth. There was at no time a current
"This must be a definition of 'current' of which I was not previously aware." -- Arthur Dent
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42!
Decrease the belief in God, and you increase the numbers of those who wish to play at being God by being “society’s supervisors,” who deny the existence of divine standards, but are very serious about imposing their own standards on society.-Neal A. Maxwell
You must accept 1 of 2 basic premises: Either we are alone in the universe or we are not alone. Either way, the implications are staggering!-Wernher von Braun
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I think any electronic circuit (which is visible while flaps are full open) does not bother about "through metal" or not. Then it is just a question of potential difference....
modified 19-Jan-21 21:04pm.
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Indeed.
Decrease the belief in God, and you increase the numbers of those who wish to play at being God by being “society’s supervisors,” who deny the existence of divine standards, but are very serious about imposing their own standards on society.-Neal A. Maxwell
You must accept 1 of 2 basic premises: Either we are alone in the universe or we are not alone. Either way, the implications are staggering!-Wernher von Braun
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Sorry I'm maybe late or at the wrong time for this but I Need to give a note for your sig.:
Wernher von Braun was most probably an excellent engineer, but also a Nazi!
modified 19-Jan-21 21:04pm.
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He was forced to join the Nazi party and to work for them. So, no, not a Nazi.
Decrease the belief in God, and you increase the numbers of those who wish to play at being God by being “society’s supervisors,” who deny the existence of divine standards, but are very serious about imposing their own standards on society.-Neal A. Maxwell
You must accept 1 of 2 basic premises: Either we are alone in the universe or we are not alone. Either way, the implications are staggering!-Wernher von Braun
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Until you start raising the frequency at which point the surface effect gets more important - hence why waveguides are generally used rather than wires at microwave frequencies.
However I've no idea what the frequency of a lightning discharge would be so unsure as to what extent this would apply.
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I raise that point in another post. However, Lightening is referred to as "static electricity" (essentially DC) so frequency is irrelevant.
Decrease the belief in God, and you increase the numbers of those who wish to play at being God by being “society’s supervisors,” who deny the existence of divine standards, but are very serious about imposing their own standards on society.-Neal A. Maxwell
You must accept 1 of 2 basic premises: Either we are alone in the universe or we are not alone. Either way, the implications are staggering!-Wernher von Braun
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Research would imply that its actually a very broad spectrum ranging from ELF (3-30Hz) up to microwave frequencies (1Ghz+)
http://radiometrics.com/data/uploads/2014/01/Petersen_AR_14.pdf
Admitedly pure DC would indeed be made up of components of all frequencies but it appears that some frequencies are more pronounced.
Interference of radio signals during a thunderstorm would also support this. Also don't forget Marconi's transmitter was a spark transmitter.
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greldak wrote: Interference of radio signals
Wouldn't this be caused by the interactions with the atmosphere?
greldak wrote: some frequencies are more pronounced.
That makes sense with the "flashing" that occurs with lightening.
Decrease the belief in God, and you increase the numbers of those who wish to play at being God by being “society’s supervisors,” who deny the existence of divine standards, but are very serious about imposing their own standards on society.-Neal A. Maxwell
You must accept 1 of 2 basic premises: Either we are alone in the universe or we are not alone. Either way, the implications are staggering!-Wernher von Braun
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Not with the atmosphere per se but yes - thats the electrical discharge.
The fuselage is acting as an antenna and so a current will be induced in it at the frequencies of the EM radiation to which it is exposed. This then gets reradiated as another electrical discharge.
With the huge currents involved the air ionises which is what we see as lightning.
In practice this happens thousands of times every year. The current flows around the fuselage so all parts of the aircraft are at the same potential. This means you can safely touch the metal parts of the aircract as the potential difference between the two point you are connecting is zero. - This is also why seagulls don't get electrocuted when they land on a high voltage powerline.
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greldak wrote: With the huge currents involved the air ionises
This is what I meant by interacting with the atmosphere. Isn't it the ionization of the air that causes the radio interference? Does a spark in a vacuum cause the same interference?
Decrease the belief in God, and you increase the numbers of those who wish to play at being God by being “society’s supervisors,” who deny the existence of divine standards, but are very serious about imposing their own standards on society.-Neal A. Maxwell
You must accept 1 of 2 basic premises: Either we are alone in the universe or we are not alone. Either way, the implications are staggering!-Wernher von Braun
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TheGreatAndPowerfulOz wrote: Decrease the belief in God, and you increase the numbers of those who wish to play at being God by being “society’s supervisors,” who deny the existence of divine standards, but are very serious about imposing their own standards on society.-Neal A. Maxwell
Jeremy Falcon
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Neal A. Maxwell was a great man.
Decrease the belief in God, and you increase the numbers of those who wish to play at being God by being “society’s supervisors,” who deny the existence of divine standards, but are very serious about imposing their own standards on society.-Neal A. Maxwell
You must accept 1 of 2 basic premises: Either we are alone in the universe or we are not alone. Either way, the implications are staggering!-Wernher von Braun
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It's a little disturbing to think that the path of least resistance was through a rubber tire. I guess I have to learn more how lightning works!
Marc
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Maxwell will give you the answer 
modified 19-Jan-21 21:04pm.
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Maxwell Edison? Majoring in medicine?
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It probably conducted through the water and/or the metal radials within the tire. Lightning is essentially "static electricity" and hence has DC characteristics rather than AC characteristics (i.e. no "frequency" to speak of).
Decrease the belief in God, and you increase the numbers of those who wish to play at being God by being “society’s supervisors,” who deny the existence of divine standards, but are very serious about imposing their own standards on society.-Neal A. Maxwell
You must accept 1 of 2 basic premises: Either we are alone in the universe or we are not alone. Either way, the implications are staggering!-Wernher von Braun
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Last weekend I took the leap and updated my Windows 7 Pro Lenovo to Windows 10 Pro. I'm quite happy with what I see, but that isn't much - nothing like the merciless fall from 7 to 8.1, but some things aren't quite right. Sometimes when I start up, the start menu just doesn't work, not just the Windows Key search, but clicking the start menu icon does nothing. Then, after a restart, all is well, for an indefinite number of restarts later.
My PC is a few years old and I have never formatted and cleaned up or anything, because I've never had enough trouble, but now I am tempted; I now have a separate Dell laptop from work I can use to back up my Lenovo files and stuff, but I would still rather not have to do that until I fit a second hard drive to my laptop and the process will be easy-peasy.
Does anyone know of any good diagnostics tools that are suitable for, or targeted at, pre-Ten machines that have been upgraded? Even a pre-Ten tool that could help me clean up about four years of really diverse and miscellaneous crap.
No object is so beautiful that, under certain conditions, it will not look ugly. - Oscar Wilde
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