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Chris Maunder wrote: then I'm buying.
You do realize that DD and Nagy are both UK residents? 
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Depending on Chris's definition of the 2nd week, I may still be in Hungariaorszag; we are off on Thursday and back on the 12th.
Otherwise, I'm up for drinking Chris's expenses any place / any time. 
veni bibi saltavi
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If you and DD get together, Chris is going to need to pay excess baggage to get the credit card on the damn plane!
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I believe DD has left us to concentrate on his Facebook profile and teasing his son while he* does an astrophysics degree.
* Dave is doing the degree, Tommy is the one being teased about NOT doing a degree.
veni bibi saltavi
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Chris Maunder wrote: if we can meet somewhere I can get to, then I'm buying
With all the booze related posts in the lounge that's probably an Alcoholics Anonymous meeting
Although they're not exactly Anonymous... More Proud Alcoholics, is there a group for that? 
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Loads of 'em.
Any pub, any night.
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Sounds like a plan.
We've got a pub in Bournemouth with 10 real ales and a real cider...
(It's got to be worth a try, right?)
Anna ( @annajayne)
Tech Blog | Visual Lint
"Why would anyone prefer to wield a weapon that takes both hands at once, when they could use a lighter (and obviously superior) weapon that allows you to wield multiple ones at a time, and thus supports multi-paradigm carnage?"
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I've been getting my head into Xamarin this weekend, and wow!
It's freaking awesome!
I've always been torn on Xamarin, because I believe there's a real value in being able to write code natively, using the native programming language/framework etc for that platform, and have viewed as Xamarin kind of a cop-out developer wise. I thought that using .net to develop for Andriod and iOS showed an unwillingness to learn.
But after playing with Xamarin and Xamarin Forms for a few days, I am f***b**ing sold! Being able to write one codebase targeting Windows Phone, iOS and Android is just incredible!
Batman...er I mean Xamarin![^]
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Looks like someone has a lot of money to waste.
Take my advice, download Visual Studio 2015[^] (Community edition is free), learn C++[^] (free), write cross-platform applications in C++[^] (for free!).
Quote: Being able to write one codebase targeting Windows Phone, iOS and Android is just incredible!
And better than this is, being able to compile them for free! Xamarin doesn't support free compilation, you would have to get a license to compile the source code for Android and iOS devices.
Once you're done writing the applications for free, buy a drink for everyone. Do remember to buy one for OriginalGriff! ![Beer | [beer]](https://www.codeproject.com/script/Forums/Images/beer.gif)
I prefer tea, ![Java | [Coffee]](https://www.codeproject.com/script/Forums/Images/coffee.gif) 
The sh*t I complain about
It's like there ain't a cloud in the sky and it's raining out - Eminem
~! Firewall !~
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Quote: Looks like someone has a lot of money to waste.
Nope!
I have a Xamarin Indie subscription for iOS and Andriod ($50USD, about £30GBP per month).
I am basically writing a Xamarin Forms for Windows Phone app inside Visual Studio 2013, and am debugging everything inside Visual Studio using the Windows Phone emulator to test.
As far as I can tell, you can basically develop a Xamarin Forms for Windows Phone for free, it's when you want to target the other platforms that it starts to cost money.
I have a Mac Mini, which cost me £400.
So I develop for Windows Phone with Xamarin Forms in Visual Studio, and when I am happy, push that code over to my Mac.
Then I use Xamarin Studio on my cheapo Mac to push the same code to the Android and iOS emulators on that mac, and it works, which is insanely cool!
I am the definition of shoestring app development.
I would love to go for pints with you guys though, we should totally make that happen!
modified 21-Mar-15 19:16pm.
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Afzaal Ahmad Zeeshan wrote: Looks like someone has a lot of money to waste.
Afzaal Ahmad Zeeshan wrote: learn C++[^] (free), write cross-platform applications in C++[^] (for free!)
Learning C++ and getting to the point where you can build cross-platform apps with confidence takes a lot of time and time equals money, therefore doing what you suggest may cost you a lot in the long run. Especially if it means you can't serve that customer because you were to busy learning C++ 
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Welcome to Xamarin! I agree, it's a great product. If you haven't already, check out Petzold's free book[^].
/ravi
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Having coded apps on that we found too many bugs.
After the "hello world app", you are welcome to the nightmare of nasty binding that does not work for obscure reasons / new bugs at every updates / IOS "code optimizer" optimizing too much...
It was a huge exercise in frustration on my side. Not yet mature.
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Which version of Xamarin did you try? The latest version seems much improved.
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on my side, I stopped coding on it 6 month ago. My customer is always working on it right now and getting highly frustrated.
He is on the last version, and had every day its load of "gotcha" of things that render fine on Android, but fail on IOS. (bindings and "optimization" gotcha of ios)
I suspect that it would have save him lots of time by not using Xamarin Forms, and have 1 project by plateform directly using the underlying UI API of every plateform.
At first he was a huge fan of the concept, but lost too much time on gotcha and wtf situations.
modified 22-Mar-15 10:16am.
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Nicolas Dorier wrote: Not yet mature.
These are strong words considering it has been around for a long time already!
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I know, but it is the best word to describe my impression after having used it several time. (And my customer who codes too would agree)
The idea is cool, but the experience is filled with gotcha's and wtf bugs, thus the word "immature" is appropriate.
If it stays immature considering the long time it has been around, there is two possible explanation : the skill of their developers is at question, or xamarin is focusing on something else now.
Don't get me wrong, I like xamarin for what it permits us to do. But Xamarin Forms made me hate my life as a developer.
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Inspired by the thread two steps below.
Personally I find it beautiful, sort of (jump forward 55s). but if you're having a sensitive disposition you might want to postpone watching it[^] until after you've eaten.
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I'll see your aspergillus fumigatus botrytis mucor trichoderma cladosporium and raise you slime Mold[^]
PooperPig - Coming Soon
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Jörgen Andersson wrote: postpone watching it[^] until after you've eaten.
Why? That was my lunch.
Will Rogers never met me.
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I have installed Kaperasky on my Windows vista ultimate, but Windows defender still prompts me I have not scanned my computer for long time.
how are you guys handling windows defender even if you have internet security?
diligent hands rule....
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Yes, I am still using Windows Defender... Works well, because I try to not click on Pr0n ads so that they do not try to install or provide me with any viral software for my machine.
Internet has a lot of edges where you can gain unlimited access to virus and malware, but if you try to be careful, you can handle them. I am using Windows 8-based Windows Defender. I have not found any virus running on my machine... Since the very first day that I started my programming life.
The sh*t I complain about
It's like there ain't a cloud in the sky and it's raining out - Eminem
~! Firewall !~
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Note that he is running Vista. I understand the Defender for Win versions before Win 8 is not as effective as the one you and I are running.
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and that is exactly why I mentioned by version of operating system.
The sh*t I complain about
It's like there ain't a cloud in the sky and it's raining out - Eminem
~! Firewall !~
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