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So, in my old house you could get a small 'shock', although that's probably a strong word for it from touching the metal light switches. It would be most noticeable if you gently stroked the switch (there are worse perversions) as a sort of fuzziness in your fingertips. One of those electrical tester screwdrivers lights up when you touch it.
Said light switches were earthed, but I guess it means the earth wire wasn't actually attached to the Earth and was floating.
My questions is where the electricity came from. I was thinking a short via a very high resistance somewhere but then I actually wondered whether it could be caused by induction, the wiring in the house acting as a very spread-out transformer as such.
Any thoughts from the electrically minded?
Regards,
Rob Philpott.
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Get an electrician in.
Quickly.
Those who fail to learn history are doomed to repeat it. --- George Santayana (December 16, 1863 – September 26, 1952)
Those who fail to clear history are doomed to explain it. --- OriginalGriff (February 24, 1959 – ∞)
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Well, it's been like that for four years. I just started using plastic light switches in the end. Clever huh?
Regards,
Rob Philpott.
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Not if you've got an earth that isn't earthing.
Alberto Brandolini: The amount of energy necessary to refute bullshit is an order of magnitude bigger than to produce it.
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No, not really.
What it means is that your earth is not connected. pretty much anywhere, but certainly in your lighting circuit.
Which means your appliances aren't earthed either, most likely.
Since this isn't tripping your RCD (which has earth leakage detection and should shut down if any live reaches the earth) that probably means you don't have one. So an "good" electrical fault could leave the casing of your washing machine live, for example. Or start a fire. Or hurt children or the elderly.
This is not a good thing.
Those who fail to learn history are doomed to repeat it. --- George Santayana (December 16, 1863 – September 26, 1952)
Those who fail to clear history are doomed to explain it. --- OriginalGriff (February 24, 1959 – ∞)
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OriginalGriff wrote: Or hurt children or the elderly.
or cute little puppy dogs
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Fair enough, I'll heed your very sensible advice.
Regards,
Rob Philpott.
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OriginalGriff wrote: Or hurt children or the elderly.
This is not a good thing.
Nope. Still failing to see the downside.
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Some people love their children. (Presumably because they still have the receipt and they are still in warranty)
And many old folk can afford good lawyers.
Those who fail to learn history are doomed to repeat it. --- George Santayana (December 16, 1863 – September 26, 1952)
Those who fail to clear history are doomed to explain it. --- OriginalGriff (February 24, 1959 – ∞)
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I taught the kids not to lick the appliances... problem solved ![Java | [Coffee]](https://codeproject.freetls.fastly.net/script/Forums/Images/coffee.gif) 
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Reminds me of the bumper sticker of the Wash, D.C. electrician's union back in the late '70s...
"Let Us Remove Your Shorts"
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I'm with Griff, the earth loop is live. Was in a student house with a live earth loop didn't know anything about it until got a shocked off the Washing machine, Landlord argued that it was safe as there was an RCD trip, told him how an RCD worked we had an Electrician around at 08:00 am next day. Get it sorted and quick!
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With both G's, get a Sparky in to sort out the earth.
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It could be even worse - it might be that the earthing point for the house is not connected properly and something else is shorting to earth (via the light sockets and ultimately* via you).
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Also - when testing a circuit that may be live, put your left hand in your back pocket.
That way any electricity will not have a path across your heart.
You use your back pocket because a large shock will cause your hands to clench....and you don't want that to happen in your front pocket 
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I can testify to that, I am missing the pad of one finger & the tip of an other (and some scars on my chest!). I was zapped by a mis-wired kit.
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Yeah, I got a 40 seconds blast through the chest when I was 6. Wasn't much fun actually and it burnt a hole right to the bone in my right hand. They grafted skin from the back of my then hairless fingers over it with the consequence that I now have a hairy part of my palm-cum-finger.
Nice one NHS. Having said that, I don't know where to find skin without any hair, soles of the feet maybe.
Regards,
Rob Philpott.
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So...you are admitting to having "hairy palms" and blaming it on "Electricity"? 
Those who fail to learn history are doomed to repeat it. --- George Santayana (December 16, 1863 – September 26, 1952)
Those who fail to clear history are doomed to explain it. --- OriginalGriff (February 24, 1959 – ∞)
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OriginalGriff wrote: So...you are admitting to having "hairy palms"
Hairy palm cum-finger if you read closely 
Alberto Brandolini: The amount of energy necessary to refute bullshit is an order of magnitude bigger than to produce it.
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I was giving him the benefit of the doubt! 
Those who fail to learn history are doomed to repeat it. --- George Santayana (December 16, 1863 – September 26, 1952)
Those who fail to clear history are doomed to explain it. --- OriginalGriff (February 24, 1959 – ∞)
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Not so - I take Gentlemen's grooming very seriously. No hair there, nostrils or ears, although regular remedial action is required.
Regards,
Rob Philpott.
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They had hairy feet! You get hairy palms...um...another way... 
Those who fail to learn history are doomed to repeat it. --- George Santayana (December 16, 1863 – September 26, 1952)
Those who fail to clear history are doomed to explain it. --- OriginalGriff (February 24, 1959 – ∞)
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A guy I once worked with had been a sparks in the Royal Navy until invalided out with a condition not related to electricity zapping!
According to him the way to test if a circuit was live was to touch your fingers to it, but you had to make sure that you used the backs of your fingers. Using the pads of your fingers could lead to the involuntary muscle contractions making your hands grab on to the cable. Using the backs of your fingers caused them to pull away when the muscles went into spasm!
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Sounds like you have a floating earth and it definitely needs to be fixed. You could be picking up voltage through inductance or there is an earth fault developing on a piece of equipment somewhere.
Hopefully you have a functioning ELCB at the main incomer which is at the current legislative requirements (UK) of 30mA, so if things do get worse you have some protection.
Time to get a sparky in.
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