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So you had to sit there, in the sun, drinking Gin, for three hours to watch a 25~30 second race? 
Those who fail to learn history are doomed to repeat it. --- George Santayana (December 16, 1863 – September 26, 1952)
Those who fail to clear history are doomed to explain it. --- OriginalGriff (February 24, 1959 – ∞)
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.. when I say that I hold a Swiss VET diploma as Software Developer.
Yes, I officially graduated, but I still wonder how well known the diploma is abroad.
Edit: VET as in "vocation education diploma".
Edit2: Federal Vocational Education and Training
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modified 26-Jun-14 10:30am.
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Marco Bertschi wrote: VET diploma as Software Developer
So you are capable of healing code monkeys ? What about hamsters ?
~RaGE();
I think words like 'destiny' are a way of trying to find order where none exists. - Christian Graus
Entropy isn't what it used to.
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VET as in vocational education diploma.
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Since when does D=T?
V-ocational
E-ducation
T-iploma?
What does the T really stand for?
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Vocational Education and Training
my bad 
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It depends on the policy of the firm. For example I know a guy who has no diploma yet, but he found himself a work as web dev in England. They judge on what you know, not what you have 
Congrats on your graduation. I wish you the best of luck finding your first real job
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Argonia wrote: I wish you the best of luck finding your first real job
I already had my first "real job", since my work as Apprentice wasn't cooking coffee but implementing crucial parts of the project, including a Hardware Simulator and the Audit Trail 
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I don't believe Apprentice job is considered a "real job". Just your firm is smart enough to use you for code instead of making you learn the 10 different ways to make coffee.
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It isn't, but the time you spend working is widely considered work experience, if it was work.
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You look after Tamagocis?
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I don't know about you, but I personally prefer to look after girls
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RFTM -
Section 17.II.b(ii): Geeks are forbidden from having a relationship with another living thing. Even Facebook 'friends' are pushing it.
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Can't get the staff!
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I was told cats were OK !!!!!  I've been getting it wrong all these years 
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Define relationship.
And remember, it's cats we're talking about.
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To have obtained a VET diploma as a Software Developer did you have to take math,science,programming,language arts, social studies, psychology and other subjects in order to obtain the diploma?
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It's all depending on the state, but in my case it contained the following fields:
- OS Basics (Linux & Windows)
- Batch programming
- Structured programming (in C)
- Object Oriented Programming (C# [WinForms and ASP.Net], Java)
- English
- Maths
- General Education (includes politics, laws)
- Boolean Algebrae
- Assembler (8 Bit AVR)
- Project management basics
The ones mentioned above were all the same for every student, plus I got me some individual skills at work:
- Hardware Simulation over virtual COM ports
- C++ on Qt
- Creation of end user trainings, 3rd level support
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Marco Bertschi wrote: - Batch programming
Eh?! What?
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@echo off
echo Teh Console.
Yeah, script programming would be a better description.
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Quote: Yeah, script programming would be a better description
... maybe, but "batch programming" gets you brownie points with this oldie 
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Is it almost the same as getting a Bachelors of Science in Computer Science or a Bachelors of Science in Software Engineering?
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No, but it certifies you as Software Developer. It's an entry level degree, and most of the Bachelors in CS or SE in Switzerland started with a VET diploma, because they can work part-time as developers during their Bachelor studies.
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That sounds nice there are certificates for those fields where I go and I find it annoying for the fact anyone who gets those never find a job. :/ Sadly we must either find an internship while going to school or work another type of job. Congratulations though on getting it! 
I will be finishing my degree soon and well I already develop many different programs. What about you have you developed anything neat or nifty to where you could sell it on your own?
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