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Glad I'm a developer rather than an engineer. 
You'll never get very far if all you do is follow instructions.
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Pah! No fair! The guns you draw on it don't work!
Those who fail to learn history are doomed to repeat it. --- George Santayana (December 16, 1863 – September 26, 1952)
Those who fail to clear history are doomed to explain it. --- OriginalGriff (February 24, 1959 – ∞)
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Cool toy and the price is pretty decent
If first you don't succeed, hide all evidence you ever tried!
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OK, that's officially the coolest thing I've seen this week.
They are going on the prize pool list. And we have exactly the contest for them.
cheers
Chris Maunder
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So, did I win the "Officially the Coolest Thing" contest such that I won one?! 
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A phenomenally expensive toy as you need to buy an iPhone to control it. Other radio controlled aircraft have better range, duration and features for a lot less money.
- I would love to change the world, but they won’t give me the source code.
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It works with Android 4.3 or later smartphones and many iPad and Androide 4.3 tablets.
But, hey, put some links up of what you've stated is "more bang for the buck" for all to peruse!
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I'm thinking about getting a mobile phone.
I'm not sure what type of phone to buy.
I know next to nothing about these phones.
I've impressions and I'll share them here.
Don't get upset if you're a cultist of one sort or another - I've already admitted that I don't know.
Windows Phone
My impression is that these guys have a bit of improvement to make and that the experience isn't as polished as the iPhone. That said, I like the tiles - the UI, oddly enough, seems cleaner to me and I find that appealing. I also like the idea that I'll learn a bit about the Windows 8 way of doing things which might come in handy in the future.
iPhone
The more mature, polished experience - and yet, the UI seems clunky to me. There might be TOO much going on here and I'm not really excited about buying into the whole Apple ecosystem. Probably the better over all phone but I don't need a new religion either.
I dunno... any thoughts?
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You are quite excited about that, aren't you? 
The console is a black place
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You've polluted my thread.
I'm very sad now.
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Sadly, WP isn't a supported platform. Actually, (although I have a WP and like it) that's a pretty good argument for iPhone. If you want an app for controlling your paper airplanes (or some other new thing), you'll need iPhone.
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I've had a couple of iPhones over the years (3GS, 4S), and they are good, solid products. I dislike Apple's closed eco-system, amongst other things, but I can't levy criticism against the iPhone product that you haven't already heard before. It worked, did what I needed to do, and didn't fuss too much.
For various reasons and disagreements with how Apple does things, I decided to switch to a Windows Phone last year. I got a Nokia Lumia 1020 (the one with the goofy big camera in the back - it's an AWESOME camera though, MUCH better than any other phone camera I've used.). It was interesting to me how different it did everything than iOS did. But more or less the same comments as the iPhone - it does everything I need to do, and does it well. I especially enjoy the ability to write apps for my own phone in C# (I tried once to write an app in Objective-C... I'd rather chop off my fingers than try again - I find it to be an unpleasant language and eco-system to develop in). I also get more freedom with my Windows phone - it's not nearly as locked down as the iPhone is.
You may hear some people say "but AppleStore/Android store has more apps than Windows!", but at this point they're all mature enough that all the major functionality you may desire will be there. If something isn't there, then as noted earlier it's pretty easy for me to write up an app to do something I want.
Regarding the "polish" query - I was surprised at how "polished" WP8 was - it has some rough edges, no doubt, but it feels like the lack of polish critique is overstated. I have just as many critiques about iOS as I do about WP8, they're just different critiques. WP8.1 looks to address most of them, and I'll download and install it to my phone soon (waiting to do so until it looks like it's solid).
Personally I would consider the platforms nearly on par for most everything you would want to do with your pocket computer/phone - it's really a matter of preference about which eco-system you would like. I for one love my Nokia. My wife has an iPhone and is keen on changing over to a WinPhone for her next one after playing around with mine a while - she prefers it to her iPhone.
YMMV.
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I had a Windows phone and then switched to an Android, I prefer the windows UI. I agree the argument about the size of the app store is silly, home many more dancing monkey apps does one need? But when my bank and other businesses I use did not come out with a Window Phone app that made me change to Android when the contract was up.
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Don't know what I can add to this other than "well said"!
I have a Lumia 920, and prior to that a Samsung Focus, and prior to that (only briefly before my daughter inherited it) an LG Quantum.
Early on, as one would expect, the OS definitely had some maturing to do, but a solid first effort. I'd consider it to be pretty mature now though there is always room for improvement. Fortunately, I believe we are seeing a sincere effort from Microsoft to address this with reasonably frequent updates. If I were to pick 3 things, off the top of my head, that are negatives they would be:
1. MS abandoned Windows Phone 7 users too quickly. There are too many features that are available only on the Windows 8 platform and a number of the new apps (such as Snapchat and Pinterest just recently released) require v8. This isn't the end of the world as I have WP8, but my daughter has WP7 and this is a major annoyance for her because she's a bigger app user and there are some apps that she likes ("needs") that just aren't available on WP7. MS has been more loyal to WP8 users (so far). In the very least they should have done what Apple does from a marketing perspective - tell everyone they're getting the WP8 upgrade, but just make some features unavailable  .
2. Make sure the apps you expect are available. You absolutely don't need the gazillion apps that the Apple or Android stores have, but there may be some apps that you absolutely rely on or expect that aren't available on the WP platform. My bank (major Canadian bank) didn't have a WP app until last month. And, as someone else mentioned, always expect that apps are available to WP last (can't blame anyone, this is just the way it is when you make up 5% of the market).
3. Misc "polish" items... I still can't believe that the phone does not track call length in your call history. My old 1997 Nokia did that! Of course each phone platform is going to have its flaws in this category.
As for the hardware and the UI - the Lumia's kick butt! And I really do like the tile-based UI, though there are some (I think) obvious improvement that I'm surprised they still haven't made (such as tile grouping or pages - like you see in Windows 8 on PC, or that appear to be in the next GDR).
Good luck!
Edit: I meant to mention - the integration of the ecosystem is awesome. Between your PC, phone, tablet, x-box, the ability to share settings, preferences, profile is fantastic. OneDrive and Office Apps also great. And while there aren't as many games as the other platforms, there is certainly a decent quantity and quality (about 90% of the ones I've seen on the other platforms are either crap or copycats anyway). Plus there are some great xbox exclusive games. I don't have time to game, but my son does and really enjoys the selection (he also has a Samsung Tab).
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I'm sticking with Android for now. My kid just replaced his (cheap) Android phone with an iPhone -- it has a particular app he wanted.
That a store has "more apps" is likely to be a bad thing rather than a good thing.
You'll never get very far if all you do is follow instructions.
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I have used Symbian (remember?) and Android. I have colleagues using Windows phone and iPhone. Last OS upgrade from Apple created chaos. So the guys I know hate it. Still, they are entrapped in "Look, I got iPhone!" feeling. I don't get it. Windows phone guys compare it with Android and talk of performance. I have Nexus 5 and I do not see any significant differences. I do not care about that ever valuable nanosecond.
I will recommend Android as the market is good and you can get almost any app you want on the phone. Windows and iOS are lacking, I feel, on that front.
You mentioned you like tiles so, latest Android upgrade switched contacts view to tiles.
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I have a Nokia Lumia 920 and like it a lot. On the downside, it doesn't play well with my car electronics, since apparently they tested the system only with iPhone and Android, so that's a bit of a disappointment.
Some people dismiss the apps issue, and for most people it won't be a problem. But it is true that if someone is developing a new product that has a smartphone component, it's only rational that they develop for Android and/or iPhone first. For example, I thought about sending that link for the smartphone controlled paper airplane to my wife (thinking it would be a fun birthday present), but checked out the "Supported Smartphone" section, and realized it would be useless without an iPhone.
Recently, I upgraded to WP 8.1, which isn't generally available but you can follow the instructions here[^] to perform the upgrade. I have to say I really like the new OS.
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Did you try changing the Bluetooth setting for your car? worked for me, came with last update. Settings->Bluetooth->Advanced->tick box.
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Nope, hadn't tried that (the checkbox is labeled "Use an alternate Bluetooth audio connection for Speech" and the problem I had was with the media player). But I will definitely give it a try!
Thanks!
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How did that go? On my phone (Lumia 920) it's called 'Connect in a different way to use Speech with Bluetooth in my car', and since messing about with it, I don't get text messages read out, so I'll tick it again and see what happens, it used to work.
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Didn't seem to make a difference. The main problem has to do with selecting and playing music from my phone. I can get one song at a time, but can't even play an album. Thanks for the suggestion, though.
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Oh right, that is rubbish. Have you tried a 3rd party app? I can't imagine why it would help, but you never know. I use Podcast Picker, and it has options in it's settings along the lines of 'when you press skip forward in your car, what do you want to do? skip track, skip forward 10 secs, etc.'.
You'll be needing an app with really big buttons then so you can use it in the car!
e it
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Disclaimer:I have an iPhone, it is working very well, the UI is not clunky (compared to my GF's Android phone) and everything is working flawlessly.
You prefer the closed eco-system of Windows ? ( vs android vs iphone ?)
Have a look at the different "generic" apps that you would like to use (music, calendars, notes, photos, ... ) for each platform.
Have a look at games (yeah, we all want to play a game sometimes)
Have a look at more specialized apps (accounting, music, photos, public service (transport, ... ) )
Have a look at the different development environment (if you want to develop for them)
If you want to learn Windows 8, then, no need to go for an iPhone or an Android phone.
Good luck with that.
I'd rather be phishing!
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Let the religious war begin...
cheers
Chris Maunder
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