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Sanjay K. Gupta wrote: some of them can understand C# language also
Well, they can't! 
Whether I think I can, or think I can't, I am always bloody right!
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I don't care what they do either.
Peter Wasser
"The whole problem with the world is that fools and fanatics are always so certain of themselves, and wiser people so full of doubts." - Bertrand Russell
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Here is what I get quite often:
Them: What do you do for a living?
Me: I'm a software programmer.
Them: O so you work in IT?
Me: Yes you can say that (but far from the truth)
"Program testing can be used to show the presence of bugs, but never to show their absence."
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Go to Canada. In Canada you can't call yourself an engineer - software or otherwise - unless you join a legal closed shop.
Most of the professionals I've met have been idle or thieving, but hey, once you get on with the rules you're untouchable.
So, while I'm in the UK, I'm an ENGINEER, an ENGINEER by God, not by the grace of a little beadle sticking pins in dolls of free men and dreaming of jackbooted propriety and order.
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Simon O'Riordan from UK wrote: So, while I'm in the UK, I'm an ENGINEER, an ENGINEER by God, not by the grace of a little beadle sticking pins in dolls of free men and dreaming of jackbooted propriety and order
Isn't UK the country that has given us Chartered Surveyors, Chartered Quantity Surveyors and a whole bunch of other certifications?
If that isn't regulating trade, what is?
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I'm not going ot get into a nationalist pi$$ing contest. We have chartered engineers too, but membership is strictly voluntary. If an employer wants to call some kid out of school an engineer, they can.
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Them: So what do you do?
Me: I'm software engineer.
Them: And what do you do?
Me: I'm programmer, I'm creating software.
Them (confused): Really..?
Me (admittedly): I'm a computer nerd.
Them: Oh, I see.
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Them: What do you do for a living?
Me: I work in a firm.
Simple, clear with no following questions.
Microsoft ... the only place where VARIANT_TRUE != true
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I tell people I clean toilets for a living. That way the don't ask me to fix their PCs.
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I tried doing that before. I always say I make coffee for the boss/sexytary. 
They don't believe me though. 
Don't mind those people who say you're not HOT. At least you know you're COOL.
I'm not afraid of falling, I'm afraid of the sudden stop at the end of the fall! - Richard Andrew x64
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But do they ask you to clean their toilets?
Some men are born mediocre, some men achieve mediocrity, and some men have mediocrity thrust upon them.
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Funnily enough, I was asked yesterday by the bloke who cleans the toilets if I could come round his house to fix his computer.
I said "What's wrong with it"
He Said "Everytime I go to Facebook or other sites it doesn't display properly, the logos all blocky and you can't see or do anything"
I said " Are you on XP?"
He said yes and I told him I don't need to come round.
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It is a crime to call your self a software engineer.
Title XXXII Chapter 471.003
No person other than a duly licensed engineer shall practice engineering or use the name or title of “licensed engineer,” “professional engineer,” or any other title, designation, words, letters, abbreviations, or device tending to indicate that such person holds an active license as an engineer in this state.
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It's pretty much the same in Texas, but I'm a licensed Professional Engineer so it's OK for me. The main problem is that there is no certification category for "Software Engineer," but apparently the Texas PE board is considering adding a certification for that.
CQ de W5ALT
Walt Fair, Jr., P. E.
Comport Computing
Specializing in Technical Engineering Software
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You should try being a DBA, SQL Dev...
I just tell people I fix things that none one else understands, including myself. 
Common sense is admitting there is cause and effect and that you can exert some control over what you understand.
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S Douglas wrote: I just tell people I fix things that none one else understands, including myself.
Haven't tried that one. Thanks. 
Don't mind those people who say you're not HOT. At least you know you're COOL.
I'm not afraid of falling, I'm afraid of the sudden stop at the end of the fall! - Richard Andrew x64
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Because IT'S BACON!
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I'm an optoholic - my glass is always half full of vodka.
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What's with the use of "coder" or "engineer" or "coding" and so on, instead of "programmer" and "programming" all over the place: to read people's articles these days is, seemingly, to observe a carefully-planned avoidance of the terms... I even read one article which said, "When you're going for a job, don't use the word 'programmer' because it puts employers off," but then again, if they're hiring programmers, then what's wrong with being a programmer?
More to the point, don't "coding" and "coder" sound menial to you - as though you have no actual idea of what you're doing, but are simply sitting on an assembly line, putting together other people's ideas? It seems to me that there's a type of self-denigration going on in the programming world: twenty years ago, we appeared to people as gods; now we're seemingly trying to blend in and appear to them in a form they can understand... I don't like it.
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Dan Sutton said: I don't like it.
Ditto!
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I think it happened at the same time that programmers got lumped into IT.
To me IT are the folks that maintain the networking infrastructure. Maybe did light programming (scripts, basic report queries, etc...)
Programmers are the ones who use "real" languages,compilers, etc... to write "real" applications.
Government is not reason; it is not eloquent; it is force. Like fire, it is a dangerous servant and a fearful master. ~ George Washington
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Agreed... which is why it's annoying when web designers think they're "programming in HTML" or some such nonsense...
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Dan Sutton wrote: don't "coding" and "coder" sound menial to you - as though you have no actual idea of what you're doing, but are simply sitting on an assembly line, putting together other people's ideas?
Wouldn't that make it an excellent description of most "programming" jobs?
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