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Agreed. Not seen that before and very informative.
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Personally I'd go for Xamarin so you can use C#/.NET. It's not free but you get full Visual Studio integration.
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Lloyd Atkinson wrote: Xamarin so you can use C#/.NET
That compiles to Java bytecode does it?
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I think it does yes.
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That's pretty cool. That isn't an MSFT tool then is it? How does it work using the C# language, is there some sort of license with MSFT?
Because MSFT have bought Nokia and want to push WIndows CE so its surprising they support ANdroid.
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Munchies_Matt wrote: That compiles to Java bytecode does it?
Nope, that compiles to MSIL. There is a Mono interpreter inside it too...
Microsoft made C# an ISO Spec, it's open to use by anyone... there has been a hell lot of apps running in Linuxes using C#/Mono
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Ahh, there is a MSIL byte code translator. OK. Well, MSIL is probably close to byte code anyway; didn't J++ run on .net unmodified?
ΑlphaΔeltaΘheta wrote: Microsoft made C# an ISO Spec, it's open to use by anyone... there has been a
hell lot of apps running in Linuxes using C#/Mono
OK, interesting, didn't know that.
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MSIL is different from Java bytecode. Android gives the option for native apps (unlike that Microsoft's Mango). Android has pre-installed support for Java with dalvik. For MSIL you need MonoTouch or something similar. It is like a whole CLR with AOT compilation applied to it in some versions.
Munchies_Matt wrote: OK. Well, MSIL is probably close to byte code anyway; didn't J++ run on .net unmodified?
Similar probably. By the time I started learning how a compiler works, J++ had been dead already. No idea
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ΑlphaΔeltaΘheta wrote: J++ had been dead already
I recall some discussion of it some time back, how J++, which was supposed to be Java standard'(ish) could run on .net unmodified.
Thanks for the clarification though, I don't venture out of the kernel much, ,windows and Linux, so its nice to catch up on stuff like this. 
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I personally use Java to build android apps. For an IDE you can use Eclipse with Android plug ins. I believe you can download eclipse with all the plugins already installed. Google recently came out with Android Studio IDE, but I haven't personally tried it out. If you are starting from scratch may be worth investigating that option. Finally you will need to set up some emulators. The default ones are pretty slow and I strongly recommend you get Intel ones, just look for HAXM emulators
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Android studio is based on JetBrains IDEA. You can also go download the Community Edition of JetBrains IDEA. I highly recommend it. I've used a number of IDE's and JetBrains are hands-down the best this side of Visual Studio.
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The recommended/default tool stack is the Eclipse IDE with the ADT Plugin writing code in Java. You can follow the instructions at the below link to get setup and get help creating your first app. Lots of good info there.
Building Your First App[^]
There are other approaches like Xamarin (which MS recently bought and is apparently integrated with VS nicely) as someone else posted. That has the advantage of developing for multiple platforms. Just depends how you want to do it.
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If you're feeling adventurous you can do what I did[^] back in December... 
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So my #1 enjoyment at work was taken from me last week...
I liked listening to the music on my iPod (200GB) through my speakers. I would find new music in my private time and could listen to it at work.
For the last three years I've had colleagues who liked my music taste, but now a new one complained about it to management.
What do you guys do to have a little fun while at work? Besides working... 
I've heard some companies even have XBoxes or PlayStations on which you can play 
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You're not at work to have fun...
Have you considered headphones?
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Yes, and that won't work for me since I'm constantly calling customers or explaining stuff to colleagues...
It's an OO world.
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And your customers were happy to have your music blaring through speakers in the background? How unusual...
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We can listen to music with headphones. Management is currently working to set up an area that contains a Nintendo Wii. We can bring children and pets to work with us. We can surf the Web, watch YouTube videos, etc., as long as there is no work to be done. We can go outside and take a walk, converse among one another, etc. Plenty of freedom.
djj55: Nice but may have a permission problem
Pete O'Hanlon: He has my permission to run it.
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Matt U. wrote: as long as there is no work to be done
There's the problem...
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Matt U. wrote: We can bring children and pets to work with us
Any children, or just your own?
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They didn't specify, so I suppose there's some sort of loophole there.
djj55: Nice but may have a permission problem
Pete O'Hanlon: He has my permission to run it.
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Sander Rossel wrote: I liked listening to the music on my iPod (200GB) through my speakers.
Obviously others didn't. 
Use headphones. 
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JimmyRopes wrote: Obviously others didn't.
Not since the last few months (when the new guy came). My other colleagues now listen to the music I introduced them to in their spare time
JimmyRopes wrote: Use headphones.
That won't work for me since I'm constantly calling customers or explaining stuff to colleagues...
I can have a bit of music on the background, but I can't have it injected directly into my ears.
It's an OO world.
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Sander Rossel wrote: Not since the last few months (when the new guy came).
He has a right to not listen to music he doesn't like while at work.
Sander Rossel wrote: My other colleagues now listen to the music I introduced them to in their spare time
Maybe you should become a DJ in your off hours.
Sander Rossel wrote: That won't work for me since I'm constantly calling customers or explaining stuff to colleagues...
I can have a bit of music on the background, but I can't have it injected directly into my ears.
Obviously, you cannot listen to music at work then.
Not everyone likes to listen to music at work. Respect them and don't go on about how you are offended.
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