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Munchies_Matt wrote: That compiles to Java bytecode does it?
Nope, that compiles to MSIL. There is a Mono interpreter inside it too...
Microsoft made C# an ISO Spec, it's open to use by anyone... there has been a hell lot of apps running in Linuxes using C#/Mono
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Ahh, there is a MSIL byte code translator. OK. Well, MSIL is probably close to byte code anyway; didn't J++ run on .net unmodified?
ΑlphaΔeltaΘheta wrote: Microsoft made C# an ISO Spec, it's open to use by anyone... there has been a
hell lot of apps running in Linuxes using C#/Mono
OK, interesting, didn't know that.
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MSIL is different from Java bytecode. Android gives the option for native apps (unlike that Microsoft's Mango). Android has pre-installed support for Java with dalvik. For MSIL you need MonoTouch or something similar. It is like a whole CLR with AOT compilation applied to it in some versions.
Munchies_Matt wrote: OK. Well, MSIL is probably close to byte code anyway; didn't J++ run on .net unmodified?
Similar probably. By the time I started learning how a compiler works, J++ had been dead already. No idea
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ΑlphaΔeltaΘheta wrote: J++ had been dead already
I recall some discussion of it some time back, how J++, which was supposed to be Java standard'(ish) could run on .net unmodified.
Thanks for the clarification though, I don't venture out of the kernel much, ,windows and Linux, so its nice to catch up on stuff like this. 
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I personally use Java to build android apps. For an IDE you can use Eclipse with Android plug ins. I believe you can download eclipse with all the plugins already installed. Google recently came out with Android Studio IDE, but I haven't personally tried it out. If you are starting from scratch may be worth investigating that option. Finally you will need to set up some emulators. The default ones are pretty slow and I strongly recommend you get Intel ones, just look for HAXM emulators
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Android studio is based on JetBrains IDEA. You can also go download the Community Edition of JetBrains IDEA. I highly recommend it. I've used a number of IDE's and JetBrains are hands-down the best this side of Visual Studio.
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The recommended/default tool stack is the Eclipse IDE with the ADT Plugin writing code in Java. You can follow the instructions at the below link to get setup and get help creating your first app. Lots of good info there.
Building Your First App[^]
There are other approaches like Xamarin (which MS recently bought and is apparently integrated with VS nicely) as someone else posted. That has the advantage of developing for multiple platforms. Just depends how you want to do it.
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If you're feeling adventurous you can do what I did[^] back in December... 
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So my #1 enjoyment at work was taken from me last week...
I liked listening to the music on my iPod (200GB) through my speakers. I would find new music in my private time and could listen to it at work.
For the last three years I've had colleagues who liked my music taste, but now a new one complained about it to management.
What do you guys do to have a little fun while at work? Besides working... 
I've heard some companies even have XBoxes or PlayStations on which you can play 
It's an OO world.
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You're not at work to have fun...
Have you considered headphones?
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Yes, and that won't work for me since I'm constantly calling customers or explaining stuff to colleagues...
It's an OO world.
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And your customers were happy to have your music blaring through speakers in the background? How unusual...
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We can listen to music with headphones. Management is currently working to set up an area that contains a Nintendo Wii. We can bring children and pets to work with us. We can surf the Web, watch YouTube videos, etc., as long as there is no work to be done. We can go outside and take a walk, converse among one another, etc. Plenty of freedom.
djj55: Nice but may have a permission problem
Pete O'Hanlon: He has my permission to run it.
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Matt U. wrote: as long as there is no work to be done
There's the problem...
It's an OO world.
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Matt U. wrote: We can bring children and pets to work with us
Any children, or just your own?
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They didn't specify, so I suppose there's some sort of loophole there.
djj55: Nice but may have a permission problem
Pete O'Hanlon: He has my permission to run it.
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Sander Rossel wrote: I liked listening to the music on my iPod (200GB) through my speakers.
Obviously others didn't. 
Use headphones. 
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JimmyRopes wrote: Obviously others didn't.
Not since the last few months (when the new guy came). My other colleagues now listen to the music I introduced them to in their spare time
JimmyRopes wrote: Use headphones.
That won't work for me since I'm constantly calling customers or explaining stuff to colleagues...
I can have a bit of music on the background, but I can't have it injected directly into my ears.
It's an OO world.
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Sander Rossel wrote: Not since the last few months (when the new guy came).
He has a right to not listen to music he doesn't like while at work.
Sander Rossel wrote: My other colleagues now listen to the music I introduced them to in their spare time
Maybe you should become a DJ in your off hours.
Sander Rossel wrote: That won't work for me since I'm constantly calling customers or explaining stuff to colleagues...
I can have a bit of music on the background, but I can't have it injected directly into my ears.
Obviously, you cannot listen to music at work then.
Not everyone likes to listen to music at work. Respect them and don't go on about how you are offended.
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JimmyRopes wrote: (S)he has a right to not listen to music (s)he doesn't like while at work.
I agree, never said he didn't. Although he has his headphones on all day even when I don't listen to music. He just doesn't like my music, which is ok. I even asked him if he minded if I listened to music and he didn't. Then he goes to management. I'm fine with all of that.
JimmyRopes wrote: Respect them and don't go on about how you are offended.
That's what you make of it. I simply asked what other people do that makes work more like-able.
It's an OO world.
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Sander Rossel wrote: That's what you make of it. I simply asked what other people do that makes work more like-able.
Listen to music on headphones.
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You're making me a little sad  
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Sorry but that is what we all do.
We also turn off our cell phone ring tones and put them on vibrate out of respect for others who have no choice but to work in the same space.
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A sort of complete silence then? We can't have that anyway because of (business) phone calls.
My (not new) collegue takes all incoming phone calls and our biggest customer calls directly to me.
Another colleague takes all phone calls from our second biggest customer (usually redirected from the first colleague).
On busy days it's a cacophony of ringing phones and people calling
I like a little background noise, like the music I was playing, to help me focus. In complete silence I hear to many distractions, like the ticking of a clock, the typing of my colleagues, coughs, footsteps, cars from the street... Colleagues talking on the phone is not what helps me focus though.
We moved to a new building and we're now all in one (big) office. It didn't get any quieter.
Actually I think my music should be the new guys least of his problems
It's an OO world.
public class SanderRossel : Lazy<Person>
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public void DoWork()
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throw new NotSupportedException();
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Sander Rossel wrote: A sort of complete silence then?
Not what I am saying. All the things you mentioned are what goes on in an office setting.
Use headphones if you want to listen to music.
You can take them off when you get a call. Unless you are a stock broker I doubt that ou are on the telephone constantly.
The report of my death was an exaggeration - Mark Twain
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I'm on-line therefore I am.
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