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Richard MacCutchan wrote: I'm with the new employee on this; I have never uinderstood why certain people believed that everyone else wanted to listen to their music.
Me too, especially at work. You are a captured audience at work and if you don't like the music being played it can be very annoying.
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It's not so much about taking sides. I respect that others don't like my music.
So far I have been able to listen to it. My colleagues liked my music, I also often asked them what they wanted to hear and if they were okay with me playing music at all.
This new guys music taste isn't compatible with my other colleagues taste and he always has his headphones on, so I play the music that my other colleague likes.
I asked the new guy about me playing music and he said he was fine with it, but then he takes the matter directly to management. I'm a pretty scary guy I guess, so, although I'm a little disappointed he just doesn't ask me to turn off my music, I'm ok with it.
I'm all about not forcing other people to listen to music they don't want to. I also never said I was.
And then I asked what other people do to make work more like-able.
Perhaps I can fit that into my daily routine instead of music. Although I really love to listen to music.
It's an OO world.
public class SanderRossel : Lazy<Person>
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You didn't mention that before. Had you asked me, then I would probably have responded by saying that I would prefer it if you did not play it all the time. I'm all for compromise when both sides are willing to give way.
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I'm even willing to play his music all the time (he listens to his headphones most of the day), but there's a second colleague to compromise with (who is also a little sad that I'm not allowed to play music anymore) 
What bothers me most is that we moved to a new building and I can now play music on a volume that only me and my fellow music lover colleague can hear, but it's not allowed at all anymore and rules are rules (and management isn't coming back on their own rules)...
It's an OO world.
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With your first post I was with the new guy, but after your other responses... well to sum it up:
1. you asked him if he is ok with your music and to tell you if something is wrong - he agreed
2. he uses his headphones most of the time, so unless they are total crap, he shouldn't really hear your music.
3. despite 1. & 2. he went to management to complain about your music?
What can I say - beware of this guy. He is not ok. I used to work with a few like him - very kind when you talk to them, but be sure they will use everything you tell them to their advantage - especially if it means trouble for others.
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You're pretty much right, except for your conclusion.
The guy seems sincerely nice. Actually he and I have a lot in common, including some music taste. I'm just not playing his taste at the office because my other colleague detests it.
I'm not sure why he didn't ask me in the first place... Maybe I should ask him.
It's an OO world.
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You keep bringing up the fact that some of your coworkers like your choice of music.
It's not about whether anyone shares your taste in music at all. It's about the fact that it's one more source of distracting noise--as you said, there's already plenty of keyboard sounds, conversations, phones ringing, etc in your office.
If you want to solve an ambient noise problem by drowning it out with music, you use headphones--you don't add to the noise that your coworkers have to hear. That's just courtesy, IMO. Conversations will take place. Phones will ring. There's no avoiding that--but playing music that everyone can hear is a choice, and one that can be avoided.
Your idea that headphones are not a solution because you're often on the phone doesn't float with me. If the phone rings, you just take off the headphones and pick up, and put them back on when you're done. I had a coworker who did that all day, and it didn't kill him, and he didn't suffer from any repetitive strain injury.
Personally, I've been known to wear headphones; not to listen to music, but rather to listen to whitenoise. Which IMO does an infinitely better job than music to avoid distractions and help me concentrate on a complex problem. At home, I do my best work in complete silence (of course YMMV).
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dandy72 wrote: but playing music that everyone can hear is a choice, and one that can be avoided.
And in my case a choice I made with my colleagues...
A colleague that I shared an office with used to almost shout "where's that music!?" if I wasn't playing any.
The colleague I now share an office with also very much dislikes the new 'no music'-rule and he even suggested he bring something from home that allows us to both listen to my music while both wearing headphones.
Really, I DID actually discuss the whole playing music thing with my colleagues and they DO actually appreciate my music.
You're like the third guy here who is blaming me for all the annoying people everywhere that play loud and distracting music at the office without thinking about their colleagues. I am not that guy!
If the new guy had just asked me if I would turn off the music I would have, but when I asked him about it he was okay with it.
dandy72 wrote: Your idea that headphones are not a solution because you're often on the phone doesn't float with me. If the phone rings, you just take off the headphones and pick up, and put them back on when you're done. I had a coworker who did that all day, and it didn't kill him, and he didn't suffer from any repetitive strain injury.
I find the music that is pumped directly into my ears discomforting. Headphones shut you off of your surroundings, which is annoying for me and for my colleagues who try to communicate with me. Putting them on and off and on and off all day is annoying too.
Just like some people prefer absolute silence, I prefer not wearing headphones. And I probably prefer silence over headphones. Or maybe I'll have to get used to headphones. Time will tell.
It's an OO world.
public class SanderRossel : Lazy<Person>
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public void DoWork()
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throw new NotSupportedException();
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Just because previous (and current) employees haven't complained doesn't mean they like it. what if they wanted to listen to their music? Do you get into a volume competition.
In an open-office environment I find it extraordinarily arrogant and rude when people play music not through headphones - sometimes it's bad enough when it is loud through headphones!
Sander Rossel wrote: What do you guys do to have a little fun while at work?
Go home.
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Tell people you don't like music at work and no one bats and eye.
Tell them you do listen music through speakers and everyone loses their mind...
I'm going to ignore the first part of your post (read up, you'll see why).
_Maxxx_ wrote: Sander Rossel wrote: What do you guys do to have a little fun while at work?
Go home.
I'll try that sometime!
It's an OO world.
public class SanderRossel : Lazy<Person>
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I still don't understand how many people are involved here.
Also, just because you ask someone about your music & they say it's ok, doesn't mean they really are OK with it all day every day - sometimes people are just being polite.
If there's just two of you or even three in a sound-proof office, then discussing it should be fine, & I don't see why management would bother as long as you have the other people's support.
But if hte office contains more people, then I don't believe you can have the volume at a level where others cannot hear it - they can probably just hear enough to be really annoying.
And while it is somewhat trite - what if everyone had their own music playing at once?
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There were three people involved, including me.
I did requests.
Then one of the other two complained, to management. The one who always has his headphones on. Also when the room is silent.
We just moved to a new building and I'm sitting next to someone who liked my music and the other two people are sitting about three to four meter away.
I can have two speakers and point one directly at me, one directly at my colleague (who wants to listen to my music, he asked for a speaker). As a bonus the speakers are also turned away from my colleagues across the room. Then I can play music just loud enough for us to hear. There is no way my colleagues further away are going to hear it, I checked.
To me that sounds like a very reasonable solution to the problem.
If everyone wanted to play their own music you could discuss that and make other arrangements, like headphones.
Again, I'm not against headphones or not playing music.
I'm just a little sad I'm not allowed to play it anymore (after having done it for three years, having exchanged music with my other colleagues and taking requests).
And, as said, I'm not the only one who is bummed out.
And I'm a bit mad at the fact we have a good solution, but management wants to push their own 'solution' anyway. After three years just out of the blue. Especially since music is a big deal to me.
I'm now looking for something else to keep me entertained while working.
Putting on some good music could really raise my spirit when I needed it! All work and no play make me a dull boy 
It's an OO world.
public class SanderRossel : Lazy<Person>
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public void DoWork()
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throw new NotSupportedException();
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ΑlphaΔeltaΘheta wrote: Sometimes, mulit-player FPS
How often are you not working at work? 
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To be precise, "Once in a blue moon" 
Beauty cannot be defined by abscissas and ordinates; neither are circles and ellipses created by their geometrical formulas.
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We put kiddie porn on the computers of the new employees we don't like.
Basically, tough luck if you don't like a little Crüxshadows playing in the office.
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Sampath Lokuge wrote: Apache Cordova
First time hearing of this. Nice, this is going to be useful.
Jeremy Falcon
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i'd appreciate it if they knocked it off with that kind of crap and spent 20 minutes fixing the VS2013 resource editor, and then another 20 fixing the properties editor so that it doesn't push the first two rows of controls off the top of the dialog.
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Does that mean that VS is now open source and free? 
"If you think it's expensive to hire a professional to do the job, wait until you hire an amateur." Red Adair.
Those who seek perfection will only find imperfection
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All .net frameworks are now open source except Visual Studio.
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Does no one get sarcasm any more???
BTW, VS is not a 'framework' - it's a tool.
"If you think it's expensive to hire a professional to do the job, wait until you hire an amateur." Red Adair.
Those who seek perfection will only find imperfection
nils illegitimus carborundum
me, me, me
me, in pictures
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Perfect: he is a complete tool.
Howvwer, these[^] are the real deal.
"If you think it's expensive to hire a professional to do the job, wait until you hire an amateur." Red Adair.
Those who seek perfection will only find imperfection
nils illegitimus carborundum
me, me, me
me, in pictures
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Unlike the previously mentioned tools, those are actually useful.
It was broke, so I fixed it.
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