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Sander Rossel wrote: I liked listening to the music on my iPod (200GB) through my speakers.
Obviously others didn't. 
Use headphones. 
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JimmyRopes wrote: Obviously others didn't.
Not since the last few months (when the new guy came). My other colleagues now listen to the music I introduced them to in their spare time 
JimmyRopes wrote: Use headphones.
That won't work for me since I'm constantly calling customers or explaining stuff to colleagues...
I can have a bit of music on the background, but I can't have it injected directly into my ears.
It's an OO world.
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Sander Rossel wrote: Not since the last few months (when the new guy came).
He has a right to not listen to music he doesn't like while at work.
Sander Rossel wrote: My other colleagues now listen to the music I introduced them to in their spare time
Maybe you should become a DJ in your off hours.
Sander Rossel wrote: That won't work for me since I'm constantly calling customers or explaining stuff to colleagues...
I can have a bit of music on the background, but I can't have it injected directly into my ears.
Obviously, you cannot listen to music at work then.
Not everyone likes to listen to music at work. Respect them and don't go on about how you are offended.
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JimmyRopes wrote: (S)he has a right to not listen to music (s)he doesn't like while at work.
I agree, never said he didn't. Although he has his headphones on all day even when I don't listen to music. He just doesn't like my music, which is ok. I even asked him if he minded if I listened to music and he didn't. Then he goes to management. I'm fine with all of that.
JimmyRopes wrote: Respect them and don't go on about how you are offended.
That's what you make of it. I simply asked what other people do that makes work more like-able.
It's an OO world.
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Sander Rossel wrote: That's what you make of it. I simply asked what other people do that makes work more like-able.
Listen to music on headphones. 
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You're making me a little sad  
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Sorry but that is what we all do.
We also turn off our cell phone ring tones and put them on vibrate out of respect for others who have no choice but to work in the same space.
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A sort of complete silence then? We can't have that anyway because of (business) phone calls.
My (not new) collegue takes all incoming phone calls and our biggest customer calls directly to me.
Another colleague takes all phone calls from our second biggest customer (usually redirected from the first colleague).
On busy days it's a cacophony of ringing phones and people calling
I like a little background noise, like the music I was playing, to help me focus. In complete silence I hear to many distractions, like the ticking of a clock, the typing of my colleagues, coughs, footsteps, cars from the street... Colleagues talking on the phone is not what helps me focus though.
We moved to a new building and we're now all in one (big) office. It didn't get any quieter.
Actually I think my music should be the new guys least of his problems 
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Sander Rossel wrote: A sort of complete silence then?
Not what I am saying. All the things you mentioned are what goes on in an office setting.
Use headphones if you want to listen to music.
You can take them off when you get a call. Unless you are a stock broker I doubt that ou are on the telephone constantly.
The report of my death was an exaggeration - Mark Twain
Simply Elegant Designs JimmyRopes Designs
I'm on-line therefore I am.
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Bit of a dick move to go directly to management..
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Yeah, my thoughts exactly. Especially since I asked him if he minded if I played music and I said if he bothered I could play something else, turn down the volume or stop playing music entirely. He was fine with my music though. Right...
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Take the new guy out for a few drinks, get him royally drunk and put him on a freighter to Yemen.
It was broke, so I fixed it.
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Nah, despite his music preferences he's allright.
It's an OO world.
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I'm with the new employee on this; I have never uinderstood why certain people believed that everyone else wanted to listen to their music.
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Richard MacCutchan wrote: I'm with the new employee on this; I have never uinderstood why certain people believed that everyone else wanted to listen to their music.
Me too, especially at work. You are a captured audience at work and if you don't like the music being played it can be very annoying.
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It's not so much about taking sides. I respect that others don't like my music.
So far I have been able to listen to it. My colleagues liked my music, I also often asked them what they wanted to hear and if they were okay with me playing music at all.
This new guys music taste isn't compatible with my other colleagues taste and he always has his headphones on, so I play the music that my other colleague likes.
I asked the new guy about me playing music and he said he was fine with it, but then he takes the matter directly to management. I'm a pretty scary guy I guess, so, although I'm a little disappointed he just doesn't ask me to turn off my music, I'm ok with it.
I'm all about not forcing other people to listen to music they don't want to. I also never said I was.
And then I asked what other people do to make work more like-able.
Perhaps I can fit that into my daily routine instead of music. Although I really love to listen to music.
It's an OO world.
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You didn't mention that before. Had you asked me, then I would probably have responded by saying that I would prefer it if you did not play it all the time. I'm all for compromise when both sides are willing to give way.
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I'm even willing to play his music all the time (he listens to his headphones most of the day), but there's a second colleague to compromise with (who is also a little sad that I'm not allowed to play music anymore)
What bothers me most is that we moved to a new building and I can now play music on a volume that only me and my fellow music lover colleague can hear, but it's not allowed at all anymore and rules are rules (and management isn't coming back on their own rules)...
It's an OO world.
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With your first post I was with the new guy, but after your other responses... well to sum it up:
1. you asked him if he is ok with your music and to tell you if something is wrong - he agreed
2. he uses his headphones most of the time, so unless they are total crap, he shouldn't really hear your music.
3. despite 1. & 2. he went to management to complain about your music?
What can I say - beware of this guy. He is not ok. I used to work with a few like him - very kind when you talk to them, but be sure they will use everything you tell them to their advantage - especially if it means trouble for others.
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You're pretty much right, except for your conclusion.
The guy seems sincerely nice. Actually he and I have a lot in common, including some music taste. I'm just not playing his taste at the office because my other colleague detests it.
I'm not sure why he didn't ask me in the first place... Maybe I should ask him.
It's an OO world.
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You keep bringing up the fact that some of your coworkers like your choice of music.
It's not about whether anyone shares your taste in music at all. It's about the fact that it's one more source of distracting noise--as you said, there's already plenty of keyboard sounds, conversations, phones ringing, etc in your office.
If you want to solve an ambient noise problem by drowning it out with music, you use headphones--you don't add to the noise that your coworkers have to hear. That's just courtesy, IMO. Conversations will take place. Phones will ring. There's no avoiding that--but playing music that everyone can hear is a choice, and one that can be avoided.
Your idea that headphones are not a solution because you're often on the phone doesn't float with me. If the phone rings, you just take off the headphones and pick up, and put them back on when you're done. I had a coworker who did that all day, and it didn't kill him, and he didn't suffer from any repetitive strain injury.
Personally, I've been known to wear headphones; not to listen to music, but rather to listen to whitenoise. Which IMO does an infinitely better job than music to avoid distractions and help me concentrate on a complex problem. At home, I do my best work in complete silence (of course YMMV).
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dandy72 wrote: but playing music that everyone can hear is a choice, and one that can be avoided.
And in my case a choice I made with my colleagues...
A colleague that I shared an office with used to almost shout "where's that music!?" if I wasn't playing any.
The colleague I now share an office with also very much dislikes the new 'no music'-rule and he even suggested he bring something from home that allows us to both listen to my music while both wearing headphones.
Really, I DID actually discuss the whole playing music thing with my colleagues and they DO actually appreciate my music.
You're like the third guy here who is blaming me for all the annoying people everywhere that play loud and distracting music at the office without thinking about their colleagues. I am not that guy!
If the new guy had just asked me if I would turn off the music I would have, but when I asked him about it he was okay with it.
dandy72 wrote: Your idea that headphones are not a solution because you're often on the phone doesn't float with me. If the phone rings, you just take off the headphones and pick up, and put them back on when you're done. I had a coworker who did that all day, and it didn't kill him, and he didn't suffer from any repetitive strain injury.
I find the music that is pumped directly into my ears discomforting. Headphones shut you off of your surroundings, which is annoying for me and for my colleagues who try to communicate with me. Putting them on and off and on and off all day is annoying too.
Just like some people prefer absolute silence, I prefer not wearing headphones. And I probably prefer silence over headphones. Or maybe I'll have to get used to headphones. Time will tell.
It's an OO world.
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Just because previous (and current) employees haven't complained doesn't mean they like it. what if they wanted to listen to their music? Do you get into a volume competition.
In an open-office environment I find it extraordinarily arrogant and rude when people play music not through headphones - sometimes it's bad enough when it is loud through headphones!
Sander Rossel wrote: What do you guys do to have a little fun while at work?
Go home.
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Tell people you don't like music at work and no one bats and eye.
Tell them you do listen music through speakers and everyone loses their mind...
I'm going to ignore the first part of your post (read up, you'll see why).
_Maxxx_ wrote: Sander Rossel wrote: What do you guys do to have a little fun while at work?
Go home.
I'll try that sometime!
It's an OO world.
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I still don't understand how many people are involved here.
Also, just because you ask someone about your music & they say it's ok, doesn't mean they really are OK with it all day every day - sometimes people are just being polite.
If there's just two of you or even three in a sound-proof office, then discussing it should be fine, & I don't see why management would bother as long as you have the other people's support.
But if hte office contains more people, then I don't believe you can have the volume at a level where others cannot hear it - they can probably just hear enough to be really annoying.
And while it is somewhat trite - what if everyone had their own music playing at once?
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