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MehGerbil wrote: (Uh, no.. animals also eat their young. Not consistent)
And humans kill other humans (very few animals will kill their own kind) - We can still learn from them.
MehGerbil wrote: If you don't have a good argument to allow tits in public then by what standard is the gross commercialization condemned? Can you establish that tits are banned in public as a product of advertising is wrong? I seriously doubt it - outside of personal preference
As good an argument as allowing woman to not where blue burkahs and peer through slits their entire life. The argument, clearly rhetorical.
As for condemning gross commercialization, were I to start to be specific about a standard I'd start with a concept where commercialization is done at the expense of liberty.
Any perceived harm from visual exposure of humans to other humans is a taught reaction. From the oxymoron, "Societal Norms".
It may come down to this: it's not making an argument for 'tits in public' that in question, but rather, making an argument for 'why not tits in public'.
(futile attempt at brevity)
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There's a difference between 'it's rude' and 'it should be illegal'. Take your analogy: it's not illegal for rich people to flaunt their wealth.
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BobJanova wrote: There's a difference between 'it's rude' and 'it should be illegal'. Take your analogy: it's not illegal for rich people to flaunt their wealth.
You're a bit circular here.
The fact it isn't illegal says nothing about whether or not it should be illegal.
Think about this for a moment: Would it make sense for a society built upon consumerism to outlaw ostentatious displays of wealth?
Even if flaunting wealth were as wrong as public sex it would undermine our system to outlaw it.
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There is a famous (or notorious) lady in new York city who goes around topless, attracts confrontation, and then gets featured in the news. Restaurants won the legal right to kick her out as it's a private business and so their dress code rules are legally affective. She is a feminist propagandist. 
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I did note that it was public places.
It's not uncommon in many areas to see a restaurant sign: "No Shoes? No Shirt? No Service!" - targeting everyone. This is very rare where I live: money trumps posh.
You example, by the way, is an odd exception to what's normal behavior by those who like to be topless at the beach. It probably wouldn't even be done if a big deal weren't made over women going topless.
| "The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits." - Albert Einstein | | "As far as we know, our computer has never had an undetected error." - Weisert | | "If you are searching for perfection in others, then you seek disappointment. If you are seek perfection in yourself, then you will find failure." - Balboos HaGadol Mar 2010 |
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Well, just because it's legal does not mean everyone's gonna do it. I lived in Toronto for over an year and have visited Canada multiple times after that. I have never encountered a topless woman in public.
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You should hang out with me when you next visit. 
/ravi
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Tim Carmichael wrote: I do not want my children exposed to topless women,
So you didn't allow your wife to breast-feed her babies then?
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So essentially you moved to the US because Canada is too libertarian for you? How does that make any sense?
The US's mixture of libertarianism and religious policing of morals is a massively confused culture and far more contradictory than what you describe from Canada.
And what's wrong with topless women? Lots of southern European beaches have them, there aren't any problems with that. It's not like women go into meetings at work topless in Canada or anything.
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BobJanova wrote: So essentially you moved to the US because Canada is too libertarian for you?
Please provide the quote saying that is why I moved to the United States.
I moved for a job; I prefer the politics - two different concepts, not necessarily related.
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MehGerbil asked
"I wish you'd elaborate on that.
That could be really interesting."
and your reply totally (and really, exclusively) referenced allowing topless woman on the beach.
So - if you moved to the US for a job, when asked why you should have, how do we say it down here . . . ah yes . . "you should have said so"
| "The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits." - Albert Einstein | | "As far as we know, our computer has never had an undetected error." - Weisert | | "If you are searching for perfection in others, then you seek disappointment. If you are seek perfection in yourself, then you will find failure." - Balboos HaGadol Mar 2010 |
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Balboos,
It's time we recognized that Tim moved to the USA because he hates boobies.
It is the only rational explanation that fits all the facts.
-MehGerbil
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Horrifying!
Should I ever venture north of the border, I'll make sure not to drink the water. Just to be safe.
| "The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits." - Albert Einstein | | "As far as we know, our computer has never had an undetected error." - Weisert | | "If you are searching for perfection in others, then you seek disappointment. If you are seek perfection in yourself, then you will find failure." - Balboos HaGadol Mar 2010 |
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Tim Carmichael wrote: Well, the supreme court declare the indecent exposure law unconsitutional: result, women can go topless in Canada in public.
Not true. The matter has not been determined by the Supreme Court of Canada. It is upto the provinces to deem what is public indecency (regarding going topless in public). See this[^] link.
Note, I'm not advocating for or against this - just drawing your attention to this point. 
/ravi
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That's absurd. Just because everyone can doesn't mean everyone will. It's just like unlicensed open carry of firearms. In Arizona it's legal, but the VAST VAST majority of citizens there don't do it. Another example - Facebook is free to join. Everybody can do it, but not everybody does. I could go on, but I think you get the point.
".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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When you pry the gun from my cold dead hands, be careful - the barrel will be very hot. - JSOP, 2013
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Tim Carmichael wrote: I do not want my children exposed to topless women,
Why the devil not?
Tim Carmichael wrote: And, do any of want to see our daughters, sisters, mothers, grandmothers walking around topless for all to see?
Not particularly, but if that's what they want to do, why should one stop them? They are just breasts, for goodness sake!
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Tim Carmichael wrote: I do not want my children exposed to topless women,
Guess they weren't breastfed then, or had a bath/shower with mummy when they were younger?
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The US is obsessed with racism. That won't change.
"If you think it's expensive to hire a professional to do the job, wait until you hire an amateur." Red Adair.
Those who seek perfection will only find imperfection
nils illegitimus carborundum
me, me, me
me, in pictures
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It's all because of those other people!
| "The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits." - Albert Einstein | | "As far as we know, our computer has never had an undetected error." - Weisert | | "If you are searching for perfection in others, then you seek disappointment. If you are seek perfection in yourself, then you will find failure." - Balboos HaGadol Mar 2010 |
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In truth, only racists are obsessed with racism. The rest of us shrug our shoulders and say "WTF?!"
".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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When you pry the gun from my cold dead hands, be careful - the barrel will be very hot. - JSOP, 2013
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If this was the soapbox I would point out that any criticism of our current president is considered racism. Thus the people yelling the racism claim are propagating racism as criticizing the president should be our right.
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Comparing a racial epitaph to exterminating the Jews is patently offensive if you want to be honest.
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Ennis Ray Lynch, Jr. wrote: Comparing a racial epitaph to exterminating the Jews is patently offensive if you want to be honest.
It would be difficult for me to imagine how someone could mis-read my post more than what you've done here.
The entire theme of my post is the rage over an epitaph is ridiculous coming from people who do not express the same rage over the plight of poor children in our inner city communities. In short, we've a real holocaust of sorts going on in the USA and things as trivial as a slur gets the press.
My guess is that you're a liberal since you've entirely missed the point and are more offended by an extermination that happened 70 years ago than you are over the one happening today.
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