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Chris Maunder wrote: And this is e same Dave who wandered around downtown with me when it was -5C in a tshirt. I almost turned around and got back on the plane then and there.
You sound like the wimps who thought I was out of my mind not wearing a coat on Tuesday; on your first day off the plane I'd've done the exact same thing except I'd also be wearing shorts (assuming I wasn't on my way too/from the office anyway). -5C is around the middle of my preferred temperature for shoveling snow; warm enough I can still get away with just a tshirt and denim shorts for a few hours, cool enough I don't need to worry about overheating because I'm working too hard. (The latter is bad because the amount of my shirt that gets soaked in sweat ends up too large and then turns into a giant heat sucker as it tries to evaporate and freeze at the same time.)
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Is not rather the genius of history like an eternal, imploring maiden, full of fire, with a burning heart and flaming soul, humanly warm and humanly beautiful?
--Zachris Topelius
Training a telescope on one’s own belly button will only reveal lint. You like that? You go right on staring at it. I prefer looking at galaxies.
-- Sarah Hoyt
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Dan Neely wrote: I can still get away with just a tshirt and denim shorts for a few hours
One can never get away with denim shorts unless one is Jessica Simpson in the Dukes of Hazzard movie.
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Yeah - been doing a fair bit of shoveling / ice cracking at -10 in a T-shirt these past few weeks.
The only exercise I can get these days.
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Chris Maunder wrote: Yeah - been doing a fair bit of shoveling / ice cracking at -10 in a T-shirt these past few weeks.
Was about to ask why you don't get a snow blower.
Chris Maunder wrote: The only exercise I can get these days.
That answered it. 
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Chris Maunder wrote: And this is e same Dave who wandered around downtown with me when it was -5C in a tshirt. I almost turned around and got back on the plane then and there
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The convection currents in the warm water help in the rapid heat exchange which is why warm water is used.
(I don't have a citation other than a colleague who showed me the explanation online yesterday)
“That which can be asserted without evidence, can be dismissed without evidence.”
― Christopher Hitchens
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Ah! An interesting new angle...
Regards,
Rob Philpott.
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Not quite - boiled water has dissolved gasses removed, and will freeze faster.
When you heat water on a stove to boiling point, you will see bubbles form for some time before the water reaches the boiling point. This is dissolved gases coming out of solution, and if you capture the bubbles, you will see that their content is not H2O. Once the water reaches boiling point ("rolling boil"), then the water is changing phase and the content of gas emitted is water vapor (H2O).
Water (even boiling water) that has the dissolved gases removed will freeze faster than warm or even cold water.
Never moon a werewolf.
- Harvey
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Thanks - (in danger of being a complete pain in the arse) has this theory been peer reviewed scientifically?
I ask this as having just done a quickish google there do appear to be a few theories none of which have been conclusively proven correct.
e.g. Mpemba theory[^]
“That which can be asserted without evidence, can be dismissed without evidence.”
― Christopher Hitchens
modified 8-Jan-14 9:45am.
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When taking engineering courses it was explained by the fact the hot water is losing energy already where as cold water has to start losing heat(energy). Poor man's explanation after 30 plus years of forgetting. At the time we calculated the "proof".
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That is saying that energy loss has momentum. I don't think that is true, and it should be relatively easy to prove in a lab. [Haven't done it myself...]
Never moon a werewolf.
- Harvey
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As I say I do not remember exactly what the science was but I remember doing the calculations.
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Not saying that energy loss has momentum, but technically, fluid temperature is very closely related to the average momentum of the water molecules - if I recall correctly, temperature (being a measure of internal water energy) is proportional to the average kinetic energy of the water molecules (or something along those lines), which in turn is proportional to the average of the square of the molecules' momentum.
So I would say that heated water, having a higher average molecular kinetic energy, exchanges higher amounts of energy with its environment, therefore in turn loses more energy to it (and cools faster).
Then again, I may be wrong in that. I seem to have forgotten most of the thermodynamics I've been taught.
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H.Brydon wrote: Not quite
"the Mpemba effect" 
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If you can't read my code, try converting it here[^]
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Was gonna post this, but I was beaten to it. Good link. 
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it is actually so that hot water freezes more quickly than cold water, although it is not yet known why.
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V. wrote: ...although it is not yet known why.
Yes it is ... see my previous reply in this thread.
Never moon a werewolf.
- Harvey
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Boiling water to snow[/\]chemistry.about wrote: This science trick is as easy as throwing boiling water into the air and watching it instantly change into snow.
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That is freaky! I think I prefer the regular quakes we have here in Southern California. 
Soren Madsen
"When you don't know what you're doing it's best to do it quickly" - Jase #DuckDynasty
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yes, it's real. and my FB feed is currently full of people demonstrating that it works in their back yards.
cold air, pot full of hot water => snow
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