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but they are commonly referred to as either "road tax" or "car tax"
Every day, thousands of innocent plants are killed by vegetarians.
Help end the violence EAT BACON
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They could be commonly referred to as Fred and Ginger, the terms have no legal meaning. Vehicle Excise Duty, on the other hand, does. Road tax has an implication that the funds are channeled into the maintenance of the roads (they aren't), and car tax has been abused to try and frighten cyclists - and the excise applies to more than just cars.
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Pete O'Hanlon wrote: and car tax has been abused to try and frighten cyclists
Rather the incorrect term "Road Tax", has been used for that purpose, whereby motorists claim a greater right to use the roads because they pay and cyclists don't. I once had a motorist tell me he was entitled to go anywhere he liked because of his "Road Tax" disc.
Veni, vidi, abiit domum
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Don't be common.
I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!
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Exactly so, but at least VED is a tax on the car.
Veni, vidi, abiit domum
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They should put it on petrol.
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I like that option, I drive a Diesel. 
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I tend to always think I need to invest more time into my non-work related projects, be it writing or programming. I typically do an hour a day outside of work hours. I'll be starting a new development project this week which will really just be an enviroment for me to play about with a few new technologies and techniques but could possibly lead to more. My questions to everyone and anyone is?
1. How often do you develop outside of work?
2. Are the projects you work on personal or intended for commercial use at some point?
3. What do you like to work on outside of work? (other than the latest bottle of Gin)
Simon Lee Shugar (Software Developer)
www.simonshugar.co.uk
"If something goes by a false name, would it mean that thing is fake? False by nature?" By Gilbert Durandil
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I do a lot outside work as I'm not working much. Most of it has a commercial aim, but is often experimental. Or just plain mental.
speramus in juniperus
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Simon Lee Shugar wrote: How often do you develop outside of work?
Lots and lots. I generally have several projects either on the go, or in planning and requirements gathering stage. I currently have one I'm working on for an article to be posted next year. I spent a lot of time at the start of this year, writing code for Intel which was very cool.Simon Lee Shugar wrote: Are the projects you work on personal or intended for commercial use at some point?
Generally personal. I use these projects as opportunities to do the stuff that I don't do during the day.Simon Lee Shugar wrote: What do you like to work on outside of work?
Well, currently I'm working on pulling together some initial tunez to riff on with the ever cool Christopher Duncan.
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Pete O'Hanlon wrote: Well, currently I'm working on pulling together some initial tunez to riff on with the ever cool Christopher Duncan.
Link when you get some stuff done please. 
It was broke, so I fixed it.
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Will do. Given that we both have a fondness for 70's style rock, it should be in that vein.
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Almost never. I get enough of it at work.
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So how do you "sharpen your saw" and learn stuff that you don't have available at work? How do you keep your skills relevant and up to date?
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Seems I always get thrown into whatever the technology is at work, with or without training.
The few times I've tried to learn a technology outside of work, it was year before I ever got to use it, and by then, it was so rusty, I had to start over anyway. I've decide it's not really worth the effort to chase the latest trends in technology.
But then again, I'm not at the top of the developer food chain either.
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I have time at work for that. I develop industrial software (machine control, data aqusition, etc...) and I'm encouraged to seek out resources for furthering my skill level.
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I thought the same. Then I downloaded my personal code from FTP and put it onto a machine for a work-related monitoring project. It felt like falling in love.
I love my personal projects, in a way I'm not allowed to at work because I'm constantly forced to 'leave my ego outside', or I get reassigned or because somebody tells me how to do it.
If only people understood ownership of projects, the work would be better, more enjoyable and more efficient.
Pair Programming?
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Simon Lee Shugar wrote: 1. How often do you develop outside of work?
Not often as I have young children
Simon Lee Shugar wrote: 2. Are the projects you work on personal or intended for commercial use at some point?
They always start as a personal project.
Simon Lee Shugar wrote: 3. What do you like to work on outside of work? (other than the latest bottle of Gin)
I like to work on stuff that I don't do much of at work, at the moment its web based.
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2-4 Hours a day. 4-5 days a week. I do also projects just to play around and also some to be commercial at the end...
There is no limitation on the subjects for these pets of mine. Everything I read and find interesting can start a new pet-project...
I'm not questioning your powers of observation; I'm merely remarking upon the paradox of asking a masked man who he is (V).
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Simon Lee Shugar wrote: 1. How often do you develop outside of work?
At least an hour per day. Not all projects I work on provide me means to upgrade my skills and learn new things. So I do that at home.
Simon Lee Shugar wrote: 2. Are the projects you work on personal or intended for commercial use at some
point?
Mostly open source. Giving back to the community. Here are two examples of what I do:
- A preemptive multitasking operating system for 30 years old machine /Sinclair ZX Spectrum 48k/.[^]
- My tech bloggy.[^]
Simon Lee Shugar wrote: 3. What do you like to work on outside of work?
Things that increase my knowledge, improve my career prospects (also via the mechanism of *fame*) and are fun to do. Pretty much what I would do in a crazy startup company / but without limitation on time, finances, features, etc. And with self-management.
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Since we're plugging, I work on my IDE for developing software on Commodore 8-bit machines for about 5 hours/week.
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1. Occasionally.
2. Personal.
3. Arduino/Raspberry Pi projects.
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1. At the moment not much, too busy at work.
2. Personal mostly, but a bit of both
3. Audio stuff usually.
I've been writing an MP3 decoder on and off for about 5 years now, really trying to understand it all. I've got layer I && II sorted but Layer III is just a killer. Unthinkably hard. How many bits does it take to encode an integer between 1 and 5? 2.3 - that's how many! (But that's layer II).
It's interesting doing in .NET as well. Number are usually integer aligned, or perhaps byte aligned, not bit aligned or 'sub bit' aligned. When finished I'll have proof that you can do this sort of stuff in .NET!
Regards,
Rob Philpott.
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1. I code all day at work, I've had enough by the time I get home. ALthough occassionally the code I've worked on gets stuck in my head and I can't sleep so I'll work on it at home to solve it and get it out of my head. Some of my finest solutions have come from home.
2. I have done some personal stuff at home for record keeping and such and I've dabbled in creating VST plug ins for audio.
3. Music, I play in a band, write songs and record music. Playing out about once a month, it's great! What other part time job do you get paid to drink beer and have fun? It's an expensive hobby that pays for it's self.
It was broke, so I fixed it.
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Simon Lee Shugar wrote: 1. How often do you develop outside of work?
In past, very less. Hereafter I'll get more time I think.
Simon Lee Shugar wrote: 2. Are the projects you work on personal or intended for commercial use at some point?
Personal. No projects, but small utilities & R&D to # Axe. Planning to publish articles here next year onwards. And focusing Mobile development.
Simon Lee Shugar wrote: 3. What do you like to work on outside of work? (other than the latest bottle of Gin)
Recently started practice animation* after long time research. I'm planning to release couple of shorts on next year.
* Some more things too
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