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William Emmanual wrote: I have been asked to upgrade my entire team to "MVC ready" in 15 days!
Go back to the person who made this request and explain why that is not realistic.
Veni, vidi, abiit domum
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Actually, I would go back to the requestor and challenge their assumption. Why 15? Why not 16 or 30 or 1?
Once it's been established that 15 is a completely arbitrary, totally pulled-out-of-someone's-ass number, then start talking about what's realistic.
I don't think OP said in what environment he's currently working. If it's something like Java, then maybe it's not too bad; you know OO concepts, are used to working with an IDE. Moving from Eclipse or whatever to VS won't be totally foreign.
Of course, moving the existing software itself is a big job.
However, if OP is doing something like COBOL or C, then it's a much, much, larger challenge. You have to start with a lower-level, learning the OO concepts and such.
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Ok I'll start MVC means "Move Very Cautiously" that's all I got.
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I don't think this is achievable unless they had had strong training before !
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Do a quick meeting with your team, see if everyone is willing to learn the new concept. Once everyone agrees, I am sure your team could learn the concept of MVC in few days, and after that they should work on a very small project using MVC (it is very important, not just jump in after only reading and watching stuff, you need to try it out).
And after 15 Days, check where everyone stands and then, you all can just jump in with the new Project that your Client/Boss wants with extra days of buffer in the timeline. It is lot of work, but it's possible.
And if you think that after 15 days of trying, the whole thing is not working, just say 'no' with facts and reasons. People respect when you say 'no' with proper justification.
IMHO: for learning, read a book. It's OK if you don't read the whole book and only first few chapters. But before you start watching videos, you should read a book. You should learn the basic concepts thoroughly and only a book can teach you in a detail.
Good luck. 
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good advice, thx for posting
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Rutvik Dave wrote: for learning, read a book. It's OK if you don't read the whole book and only first few chapters. But before you start watching videos, you should read a book. You should learn the basic concepts thoroughly and only a book can teach you in a detail.
I find the combination of reading and watching to be better than either alone. I somehow seem to pick up different things from videos than I do from reading (and vice-versa).
Kevin
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I agree, I also combine book, video, online articles, even Q/A on the topic that I want to learn.
Videos are like attending a classroom in the school, but to get a complete picture you still need a text-book.
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Thanks a bunch, have been putting my peeps through the rigor. Reading online as and when we encounter problems. Asp.net makes it as difficult as possible to learn simple things, but yea we have been getting along.
Learning all the way...
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You could give each team member an area to specialise in once they've covered a certain amount of basics. Then have them give a presentation each - on learning resources as well as how-to's...
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Rutvik Dave wrote:
And if you think that after 15 days of trying, the whole thing is not working, just say 'no' with facts and reasons. People respect when you say 'no' with proper justification.
In my opinion the best way to go is to warn your boss that it is not possible, explaining the reasons, the possible outcomes and some alternative solutions.
Good bosses know that after getting a 'no' for an answer, comes a "so what do we do?" question.
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You are right, but I always want to try first before saying 'no'. That way I will have strong reasons on why I failed. He has 15 days, why not give it a try.
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I jumped in my first MVC 4 project without any special preparations.
My colleague was already a bit familiar with the framework and he started to work on the project alone, but due to circumstances he couldn't make the deadline so I was called in to help out where I could and finish. He explained the basics and I also found some tutorials online.
Both of us made some mistakes, most common mistake was not following naming conventions (which is btw really important if you want to take full advantage of the framework).
At the end it turned out okay. It wasn't a frustrating first experience and it didn't take long before it felt right. Also, to jump in an application that was already partly finished helped a lot because you have some examples from which you can build on.
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Hello,
If your team is familiar with rich javascript application, then they will have not that much trouble. The link http://www.asp.net/mvc[^] which was already posted in this discussion is a very good resource. Again, if they are quite familiar with Javascript/JQuery they will be fine.
IF they are not familiar with that, well... then you´re in trouble...
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Thats comforting. I am counting on my good luck.
Kind Regards,
- Will
william@enziq.com
www.enziq.com
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Do the tutorials[^], they are quite good!
Worked for me! 
Ho yeah, and follow by making a simple sample web site!
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Immediately order this[^] and this[^]; apply both concurrently. Once your team has finished both, all will be "MVC ready" enough to find a job working for a rational boss.
Will Rogers never met me.
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I second PluralSight and the tutorials at asp.net (Microsoft's ASP .NET portal). However, you may want to consider face-to-face instructor led training for your team. See Learning Tree[^], for example.
/ravi
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William Emmanual wrote: I have been asked to upgrade my entire team to "MVC ready" in 15 days!
What is the rationale for doing so?
I started looking at MVC5 about a week or 2 ago and have been 'experimenting' with it on and off and it doesn't appear too difficult: it's just making the transition to a new way of doing things that takes a little time.
I'm sure that as I get deeper into a 'proper' application I will be googling and cping quite a bit!
"If you think it's expensive to hire a professional to do the job, wait until you hire an amateur." Red Adair.
Those who seek perfection will only find imperfection
nils illegitimus carborundum
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me, in pictures
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There is a difference between being "MVC ready" and "MVC proficient." MVC is one of those things where it can be quite a nightmare if the software designed wrong (in other words MVC done badly is much worse than no MVC at all.) Besides, isn't MVVM the big thing now?
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Joe Woodbury wrote: Besides, isn't MVVM the big thing now
Where would you apply MVVM to a web technology now that Silverlight has been deprecated?
Never underestimate the power of human stupidity
RAH
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Use KnockoutJs for your ViewModel
HTML for your view
POCO for your Models
and web services accessed via Ajax to stich them together
NO need for any of that Web Forms or MVC rubbish
MVVM # - I did it My Way
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Man, you're a god. - walterhevedeich 26/05/2011
.\\axxx
(That's an 'M')
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I presume the magic is in the KnockoutJs, we are going to use Kendo for the View
Never underestimate the power of human stupidity
RAH
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I don't know much about Kendo (but may well be investigating soon so keen to hear any thoughts)
Knowckout really just allows you to create a viewModel in JS and bind it to, well, whatever you want in your HTML.
So, simplistically, your HTML tags have bindings specified, you grab some JSON using AJAX, create a Knockout object from it and then yes, the magic happens - two-way binding to your viewmodel.
ANd you can use it with Kendo[^]
If you haven't looked at it before, I would recommend looking at knockout, as it makes client-side logic much easier (IMHO) than some of the messiness you can get into trying to do it yourself in JS
ONe day, when I have a few days, I will write an article on all this stuff to show how poerful and easy it is - meanwhile SuperLloyd has written an article [^]covering some of this stuff, which I only discovered 10 minutes ago myself!
MVVM # - I did it My Way
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Man, you're a god. - walterhevedeich 26/05/2011
.\\axxx
(That's an 'M')
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William Emmanual wrote: I have been asked to upgrade my entire team to "MVC ready" in 15 days
If you have previous experience with web programming and .NET, 15 days should be more than enough.
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