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OriginalGriff wrote: Would you want your code written by a developer with just a 16 week course behind him?
Ok, I'll bite - I'm pretty sure most of them have learned to follow procedures - so, some of them might turn out a lot better than you might expect ... if one out of ten have the natural bent required for our glorious occupation, they will certainly make up for those who don't.
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You don't go near QA that often, do you? 
The only instant messaging I do involves my middle finger.
English doesn't borrow from other languages.
English follows other languages down dark alleys, knocks them over and goes through their pockets for loose grammar.
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OriginalGriff wrote: You don't go near QA that often, do you?
Not as often as I used to, I don't think it's just me - but I find that most of the questions can be easily answered by just pasting the heading into google search. I know we used to joke about it, but now there seems to be little else. I did answer a question yesterday, but then I was waiting for my flight - so I had little else to do ...
I don't think any of those particular questions are made by ex-military, it seems most of them are made by undergraduate students too lazy to even scan the frontpage of a book ...
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Espen Harlinn wrote: scan the frontpage of a book
Book? What new devilish concepts are you trying to spread?
You Sir are a heretic that must be burned at the stake for spreading this kind of heresy.
Burn! Books, pah, the work of the devil, I say!
"I had the right to remain silent, but I didn't have the ability!"
Ron White, Comedian
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That's populated by the other nine in ten.
I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!
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OriginalGriff wrote: Would you want your code written by a developer with just a 16 week course
behind him? 
First of course there is the fact that they are going to be hired as software testers not developers.
Second of course how is that different, than for example hiring someone with a English degree to do it? Or hiring a number of 'interns' over several years without supervision and all with just a few years of college and none of which spends more than a couple of years on the project? Or the expectation that one can hire a college graduate, who has an engineering degree, but no real work experience and expect them to take on developer roles, again with little or no supervision (and no coherent process control either.) I have certainly seen all of those either in practice or discussed and they can in fact produce something that is usable. Or not.
Third do you have a technical requirement that will in fact guarantee that a developer will not only succeed but do so with excellence? If so I would certainly like to hear about it.
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jschell wrote: Third do you have a technical requirement that will in fact guarantee that a developer ...
"requirement", "guarantee" in same sentence equals "oxymoron"???
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I agree that it seems like a good thing they're doing. Obviously they're doing it at least partly for their own reasons, but, hopefully some of those jobs turn into long term careers for the soldiers.
OriginalGriff wrote: Would you want your code written by a developer with just a 16 week course behind him?
On a side note, since when do software testers write code?
Quote via linked article: At the end of the course, Microsoft said, participants will be hired as software testers
"The computer industry is the only industry that is more fashion-driven than women's fashion. Maybe I'm an idiot, but I have no idea what anyone is talking about. What is it? It's complete gibberish. It's insane. When is this idiocy going to stop?" -- Oracle CEO Larry Ellison
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MikoTheTerrible wrote: On a side note, since when do software testers write code?
When they don't want to manually test the same signin procedure three hundred times? I think we call them [automated] test engineers now...
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MikoTheTerrible wrote: On a side note, since when do software testers write code?
Actually, on several occasions I have been hired as a tester and ended up modifying code and was expected to do so. In order to properly do white-box testing, the tester must have a good grasp of coding. Going where no-one has gone before has been a tried and true method of finding bugs as well as acting like a complete moron. Sometimes, you just see the behavior and immediately know the logic error that was made. Of course, the developer should fix his/her error in that case.
MikoTheTerrible wrote: Maybe I'm an idiot, but I have no idea what anyone is talking about.
An eminent qualification for a tester. 
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Given that they'd had military training? Sure would.
I have no doubt it would beat lots of the craptastic code we get from external consultants today.
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You might be on to something...
I'm seeing a 'Premium' add on for MS Security Essentials that not only clears/quarantines the virus, it launches a strike on the command and control servers.
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Whatever it is it will be a big help to the soldiers transitioning out of the service, especially those that have families.
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Not having served myself I am making some large assumptions but I would think the discipline and training required to become a soldier would be a great basis for the structured thinking required. The initiative required would help with analysis - I think it is a great idea and based on some sound thinking.
Then again there are some pretty bright people in the forces.
Never underestimate the power of human stupidity
RAH
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I'm thinking that a programmer is like a musician you either have the skills or you don't schooling helps bring out the inner talent. But many people don't know they have the talent until they take some training, that's what happened to me I had no idea I had the aptitude.
The services are all different and all have different levels of discipline and as far as training it depends on what your MOS, field you're in. For instance my brother was in the USAF and there is little or no discipline you kinda do your own thing, but I was in the USMC and it has a very rigid regiment.
You just never know about people!
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Does this mean thaty there will finally be an FPS where you don't need to use eleven fingers, three toes, your nose, and the dog's left ear to aim and fire a gun?
"Hey, Man, pointin' an' shootin' ain't that hard!"
I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!
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Soldiers Soldiers Soldiers!
Hmm... doesn't quite have the same ring to it as Developers, Developers, Developers! :P
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I'm walking backwards for Christmas!
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This was my idea! I tried to offer free coding lessons to soldiers on craigslist.
0 responses but still...maybe ill repost it.
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Are you sure you were offering coding lessons? Maybe you typed coddling lessons? Or maybe you should type it that way, and you'll get some responses.
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TTFN - Kent
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- First Meeting - Dad with son
Dad: I want you to marry a girl of my choice
Son: No way!
Dad: The girl is Bill Gate's daugther
Son: .... mmmm .... then OK
- Second Meeting - Dad with Bill Gates
Dad: I would like your daughter to marry my son
Bill Gares: No way!
Dad: My son is the CEO of the World Bank
Bill Gates: .... mmmm .... then OK
- Third Meeting - Dad with the President of the World Bank
Dad: I would like you to appoint my son as CEO
President: No way!
Dad: He is the son-in-law of Bill Gates
President: .... mmmm .... then OK
THAT is business
M.D.V. 
If something has a solution... Why do we have to worry about?. If it has no solution... For what reason do we have to worry about?
Help me to understand what I'm saying, and I'll explain it better to you
Rating helpful answers is nice, but saying thanks can be even nicer.
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It's the Golden Rule - Them with the gold rule!
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She would be better off marrying Leslie Nielsen
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Obscurum per obscurius.
Ad astra per alas porci.
Quidquid latine dictum sit, altum videtur .
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Nah. He's never home - he's far too busy posting here.
The only instant messaging I do involves my middle finger.
English doesn't borrow from other languages.
English follows other languages down dark alleys, knocks them over and goes through their pockets for loose grammar.
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Nah, Leslie Nielsen was funny.
I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!
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