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John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote: They're idiots for thinking they can just let someone walk in off the street, and plug in their possibly virus-filled laptop into the company network. Their IT staff would scream bloody murder at the prospect.
They're idiots if they think it's a good idea; but often this is being driven by people in IT who want to be able to use their fondleslabs at the office. 
John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote: So wipe the person's computer and install corporate software? No way is my employer going to tell me what I can/can't do on my own computer (because that's what it would come down to in order to maintain any type of security/corporate privacy).
Once you've given corporate IT admin rights, or remote wipe rights, etc; it's no longer your computer even if you were stupid enough to pay for it with your money. 
Did you ever see history portrayed as an old man with a wise brow and pulseless heart, waging all things in the balance of reason?
Is not rather the genius of history like an eternal, imploring maiden, full of fire, with a burning heart and flaming soul, humanly warm and humanly beautiful?
--Zachris Topelius
Training a telescope on one’s own belly button will only reveal lint. You like that? You go right on staring at it. I prefer looking at galaxies.
-- Sarah Hoyt
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Dan Neely wrote: Once you've given corporate IT the NSA admin rights, or remote wipe surveillance rights, etc; it's no
longer your computer even if you were stupid enough to pay for it with your
money.
The difficult we do right away...
...the impossible takes slightly longer.
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John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote: So wipe the person's computer and install corporate software? No way is my
employer going to tell me what I can/can't do on my own computer (because that's
what it would come down to in order to maintain any type of security/corporate
privacy).
That reminds me of my previous employer’s client. They our removed ours antivirus and installed theirs, otherwise we wouldn’t be allowed in their domain – and I was using my personal computer. Worst, they blocked some websites; I could check my mail when on their domain. I had to be disconnect from their domain when checking my mails. Oh! They also create you an email address on their domain; all queries are sent to that address and you can’t access it outside their domain which you also can’t connect to outside their network... we were also forced to use MS Outlook, they configure it for you.
There is always a cheat by setting auto-forwarding the mails to your personal address, though it was not allowed.
I remain joe!
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Not to you, but how about a starving programmer out of work for 6 months?
You're right about the crap they expect us to run. My work PC is actually slower than the one at home, though it is 5 years newer.
This is just a ploy to make employees pay for equipment.
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If you insist that I bring my own computer then you don't get to dictate what's on it.
If you find porn on it - well, it's my home computer as well...
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I don't believe they are thinking about programmer jobs here, more of standard office workers where they do not really need a computer.
I'd rather be phishing!
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Not unreasonable really. Employer provides you with wifi, and some sort of terminal server access, something like citgo. You access your VM, do your coding. Actually they don't even need to provide you an office or wifi, you can do it from home.
Need 2 factor authentication from your employer a vm and some method of RDC and that's really it.
"Sanity is not statistical."
- Eric Blair, 1984, Chapter 9
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kmg365 wrote: Not unreasonable really.
And robots will take over all menial tasks.
However in the real world, one must deal with all the non-ideal realities that intrude. Such, for example, the fact that humans are really, really poor at predicting the future especially long term predictions.
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I am already working like this and eventually... you will to.
jschell wrote: And robots will take over all menial tasks.
No Latvians will[^], and will do it for a potato.
"Sanity is not statistical."
- Eric Blair, 1984, Chapter 9
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kmg365 wrote: and eventually... you will to.
Nope.
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Marc Clifton wrote: No it's not. That would be like a construction worker bringing their own crane.
Do you believe every opinion piece that you read?
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What gives you the impression I do? You certainly don't know me!
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Marc Clifton wrote: What gives you the impression I do?
Then one should give the opinion piece exactly the attention it deserves - none.
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jschell wrote: Then one should give the opinion piece exactly the attention it deserves - none.
It's not an opinion piece, it's based on what companies are planning on doing:
A survey of 2,000 CIOs by technology consulting firm Gartner finds that by 2017, half of employers worldwide are expected to require employees to supply their own computing devices...
Sure it's a survey, but a survey is different from an opinion.
Marc
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Yeah, it'll never fly for the great bulk of employees, but I suppose for the hipster douchebags who do sales presentations and want to show off their latest iDung it could be made to work -- anything to keep them out of the office.
It reminds me of when my wife worked in a call center and the rule was that they had to read their email each morning, which had to be done at work, but they weren't allowed to do it on company time. The management said it was like McDonald's employees having to put on their uniforms on their own time. They lost the class action suit.
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Put "may" or "could be" in a headline and you can say anything.
Oh, but they mean a fancy, useless portable device, not a "clunky desktop" which you actually need to do your job. (Unfortunately, developer requirements tend to get mixed in with the average employee requirements at non-software companies.)
And do note that this is from Gartner, which is a collection of the dumbest people on the planet. They specialize in having companies pay them lots of money to tell the company what they want to hear. When is the last time Gartner has been right about anything that couldn't have been guessed by the average person?
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Anyone who thinks that I would allow a company's sysadmin to vet my personal property should also be sent to the vet, for purely Darwinian reasons.
I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!
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I hear the call of The Wheelies and I must obey...
Sayonara Suckers!
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Obscurum per obscurius.
Ad astra per alas porci.
Quidquid latine dictum sit, altum videtur.
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I am with you (if you can do it to Ibiza).. Did you dowload every item?? BTW tomorrow to the beach , and then the dentist....
The signature is in building process.. Please wait...
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I have a 10 yr old and 13 yr old that I homeschool. They have been online and using computers for many years. I am curious of anyone's ideas on some good online courses or sites that teach about computers and programming. Any input appreciated. I have a laptop that I am going to let them take apart and explore. Thank you.
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+1 for Pluralsight.
He who makes a beast out of himself gets rid of the pain of being a man.
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I hear that this place[^] has some interesting stuff...
"If you think it's expensive to hire a professional to do the job, wait until you hire an amateur." Red Adair.
Those who seek perfection will only find imperfection
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