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so if i had a 15 YO graphics card it would just work? or that dongle that the finance soft uses
You cant outrun the world, but there is no harm in getting a head start
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Bergholt Stuttley Johnson wrote: 15 YO graphics card it would just work?
Well, you will require gallium for that..
Bergholt Stuttley Johnson wrote: that dongle that the finance soft uses
Of course, if your soft is able to run in Android or Linux. These two are siblings, if one runs in one, the other way is possible (recompile needed)
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and what makes you think everything works on linux?
You cant outrun the world, but there is no harm in getting a head start
Real stupidity beats artificial intelligence every time.
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If it doesn't you have to tell your soft to get you one... IF not then stay locked in windows... forever  (fear)
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so basically you dont like windows and that justifies your post. ok I can relate to that
I seem to think you may not have a great deal of experiance with actual business.
I think you might find that if android was required to do everything that is expected of windows it may not be the wonder product you think, for example I have a Android tablet that will freeze every couple of days, now as it was cheap I accept it but by your thoughts it should never do this.
You cant outrun the world, but there is no harm in getting a head start
Real stupidity beats artificial intelligence every time.
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Bergholt Stuttley Johnson wrote: you dont like windows
It was not the windows, the are awesome... but MS with constantly breaking updates is going to make me that...
Bergholt Stuttley Johnson wrote: I think you might find that if android was required to do everything that is expected of windows it may not be the wonder product you think, for example I have a Android tablet that will freeze every couple of days, now as it was cheap I accept it but by your thoughts it should never do this.
I haven't seen the future... now you have... Tech is evolving, let's see what happens next
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I think you will find that the more complex the code the more ways it can break despite being tested, all it needs is a driver that doesnt quite follow the standards (or even follows them in an area that is vague) and bang it breaks, I have tested code for days following all the scripts and many extra hours of addhoc testing for it to break within minutes once released.
multiply this by millions of diferent combination of hardward and software and it is amazing that it works at all
You cant outrun the world, but there is no harm in getting a head start
Real stupidity beats artificial intelligence every time.
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Windows will not be around in say 5-10 years, that I can say will be a fact like it or not. I've been developing for Windows or over 20 years and I can see it as clear as day, Windows will be a distant memory in the not to far future.
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I can confidentally say that window WILL be around in 5-10 years time as many companies will not have replaced its existing system within that time, it may not have the market share or it may be in a different form but it will be there
large companies will be unlikely to move away from a windows inviroment in the foreseeable future, how this is delivered will change (probably a VDI)
You cant outrun the world, but there is no harm in getting a head start
Real stupidity beats artificial intelligence every time.
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Bergholt Stuttley Johnson wrote: (oh and you can develop on MS on free software too)
Indeed. Even free (as in $0) software from Microsoft. And the latest version even includes built-in TFS support, so you get integrated source code management with the free tool.
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Tablets and PC's are very different objects, and I think one of the biggest mistakes MS has made is assuming that they are interchangeable - they aren't.
Just try going to your users, and telling them that they are going to lose the two 24" monitors, and get a 10" tablet instead. Oh, and Office doesn't work. Nor will your keyboard. Or mouse. Or the DVD drive. Or that USB
Dancing Bear you like.
Oh, and no, you can't install any games on it, or take it home, and what do you mean it's gone? You put it in your drawer overnight as usual and it's vanished? Who would steal something you can hide in a pocket pretty easily...
The universe is composed of electrons, neutrons, protons and......morons. (ThePhantomUpvoter)
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OriginalGriff wrote: Office doesn't work
Most users use 5% of office functionality, Open Office on Android will soon become a reality.
Our in our inhouse stock, sales order, purchase order, production system prototypes work quite well.
There are a few applications which will not suite a 10" screen but it if we do see a desktop version of android that will address it.
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But then you are up against VDI and centrally managed software not something you can get with android
You cant outrun the world, but there is no harm in getting a head start
Real stupidity beats artificial intelligence every time.
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Norm .droid wrote: Most users use 5% of office functionality, Open Office on Android will soon become a reality.
I agree - but OO is not the same. And getting users away from their "favourite" or even "beloved" apps is not easy. You can meet massive resistance just upgrading! If it doesn't look the same, work the same and say "Microshaft" when they start it, they can get very antsy. And remember, in the end they pay your wages! Piss them off too much, and complaints go up one side of the company hierarchy, and come down the other accompanied by rectangular building materials... 
The universe is composed of electrons, neutrons, protons and......morons. (ThePhantomUpvoter)
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Hmmm, Norm .droid, Norm .NET by another name?
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I'll agree that a Windows tablet isn't a complete substitute for a desktop PC. However, they make a great complement to one. If they're running the same OS, so much the better.
OriginalGriff wrote: Oh, and Office doesn't work.
Um... what? If it's a full Windows 8 tablet, you can install Office on it and it'll work fine. If it's a Windows RT-based tablet, it already has Office RT (Word, Excel, PowerPoint, and OneNote, with Outlook RT coming with the .1 release).
OriginalGriff wrote: Nor will your keyboard. Or mouse.
While that's possible, if they're USB devices, they'll most likely work on Windows 8; more questionable on Windows RT.
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Norm .droid wrote: I envisage our company using android tablets in the next 2-3 backend database on a server, delivery over wifi. I've already prototyped a system on Android and it works quite well, in fact better than windows.
I don't think Office works on android? (I use Kingsoft Office which reads and writes Office files, but it's not the full monty!)
The universe is composed of electrons, neutrons, protons and......morons. (ThePhantomUpvoter)
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Yes, that's true. But since you said "Tablets and PC's are very different objects, and I think one of the biggest mistakes MS has made is assuming that they are interchangeable - they aren't.", I made the presumption that you were talking about Windows tablets in spite of Norm's reference to Android devices.
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Norm .droid wrote: PC Sales down, Windows 8 lagging.
Never quite sure how to take statements like that.
Q1 of 2013 shipped about 75 million PCs. In all of 1995 it shipped less than 60 million units.
And just for comparison LCD TV sales were 51 million in Q1 2012, which was actually a decline from the previous year. So presumably we should expect that TVs will be replaced completely by tablets in 5 years (5 years from 2012.)
Norm .droid wrote: I envisage our company using android tablets in the next 2-3 backend database on a server, delivery over wifi.
That statement is garbled.
I am curious are you going to create the tablet software on a tablet? Are you going to manage the database from a tablet? Are you going to do your QA running the database server on a tablet?
And presumably the tablets never leave the premises (wifi after all)?
Norm .droid wrote: I've already prototyped a system on Android
Angry Birds works on it too but I doubt it will be running a terabyte database anytime soon.
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Marco, here is the friday southern-swiss weather report:
Today it's a little bit exagerated: 28°C and 95% humidity. Maybe I should take my shirt off...
For Marco: I am sorry that I can't make it to the swiss CP meeting, will be in Holland at that time.
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Up here it's been raining like crazy. I have a feeling that we have opposed weather.
Be excellent to each other. And... PARTY ON, DUDES!
Abraham Lincoln
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That is the prevelage to be south part of the Alps (still seeing some snow on very top of the mountains from here...)
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Jörgen Andersson wrote: Up here it's been raining like crazy. I have a feeling that we have opposed weather.
Same here... + the afore said temperature 
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vonb wrote: 28°C and 95% humidity. Maybe I should take my shirt off...
28 it hot? Please, I'm inviting to my house (which you may feel like oven  ) at the month of may!
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You must be right in the monsoon seasen, isn'it?
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