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Joe_Dert wrote: But, trolling isn't nice...
Exactly. So why have you been doing it?
Joe_Dert wrote: It's like you walked up, smacked me in the face, and expect me to be f*cking
gracious about it.
Too bad you completely ignore the fact that I did no such thing, virtually or otherwise.
Joe_Dert wrote: You people live in a fantasy world.
No, I live in the real world. Sounds like you need to get your meds adjusted.
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I think you need to reexamine the situation.
I wrote a serious post, posed serious question, and was seeking serious advice. (END OF STORY!)
If you want to claim that I'm a troll because I asked a TOUGH question, then, you're a moron.
I'm sorry, but sometimes you have to discuss tough issues, it happens, deal with it.
If my question seemed inflammatory to you, again, that's your fault, you're "projecting", I had no ill intentions, whatsoever. (Quite the opposite, actually, to me, it's a question of proper etiquette, and nothing more.)
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Well, I'm not a moron. I did not claim you were a troll because of your question. I claimed you were a troll (a claim which you agreed with, thank you) because of your attitude toward the people who had a light-hearted attitude. Sometimes that happens, deal with it.
Again with the "projecting".  In case I haven't said it before, let me be clear. I did not (and still do not) give a sh*t about your question. If you believe I did, you're mistaking me for someone else (or you yourself are a "moron" and are "projecting" that on me). If you expect to have everyone be serious just because you were, you're in the wrong place and going troll because folks don't want to be serious when you want them to is a breach of etiquette itself.
Now, I am an adult and as such have other and better things to do than continue with this discussion, as I'm nearly certain that you're only going to continue to whine about how mean I am and how horrible the other members of CP are for failing to put on straight faces at your whim. So, how about we call it a day? You go your way thinking I'm an a**hole and a moron and I'll go mine knowing that you're wrong. Cheers.
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Are you sure that English is your native language? You sure missed the joke there.
Use the best guess
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Are you sure that you guys understand the difference between grammar complaints, and my complaints which are completely different?
I don't care if you speak broken English, or perfect English, I do care, when you start attacking me, and harassing me, and making new accounts just to troll me, and down vote my account(questions\topics\etc), etc,.
Do try to keep up with the conversation.
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Now, let me put this into perspective for you. (My perspective.)
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Let's pretend to be a certain way towards a guy who DOESN'T know us at ALL.
And when he believes that our personalities are indeed what we present them to be, we'll all laugh.
Yeah, that's trolling 101, it was never funny, ever, it's always been stupid, and annoying.
And frankly, seeing as I don't know you, I have to assume that however you present yourself to me, is indeed your REAL personality.
This sort of trolling will never be funny to the person being trolled, EVER, because he believes you're an a**hole. (And, you've proven that assumption to quite correct, all of you, be ashamed.)
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I think your perspective is valid.
However, you should also consider context and the context is The Lounge.
If you're new to this site then I must warn you this is where the trolls hang out.
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I wasn't aware of that. (I knew it was sort of a "general" chat.)
Btw, I've had serious conversations in the lounge, it's true, look it up.
(They should definitely add troll warnings to the description, it said, come, relax, talk about what's on your mind, no one mentioned this cluster f*ck. Is that all part of the show?)
:P
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In general be patient.
There are some pretty awesome non-English speakers on here. FFS, them Geordies need someone to listen to them.
Reality is an illusion caused by a lack of alcohol
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That's it ahm gannin for t'get me ganzie.
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I think a little context might be helpful for people to understand it completely. A link to the relevant discussion, please?
"Real men drive manual transmission" - Rajesh.
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Rajesh R Subramanian wrote: A link to the relevant discussion, please?
I think he got into an argument with S A Kryukov 
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Yes, I did.
He's abrasive, he fails to read\understand topics, and makes ridiculous suggestions that generally have nothing to do with any sort of actual solution.
But, he had little to do with this topic, he's a minor fraction of the problem.
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Why didn't you say so!
I have gotten into it with SAK over language issues (see here).
He is very... *searches for kind phrasing*... set in his opinions.
In any event, he's a great help to the site... I'd just let him keep doing his thing.
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AspDotNetDev wrote: He is very... *searches for kind phrasing*... set in his opinions.
I read this as: "He is a major sunshine"
If you think you can do a thing or think you can't do a thing, you're right - Henry Ford
Emmanuel Medina Lopez
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I didn't say that. But I didn't not say that either. 
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Joe_Dert wrote: He's abrasive, he fails to read\understand topics, and makes ridiculous
suggestions that generally have nothing to do with any sort of actual solution.
Presuming all that is true - what does any of that have to do with a lack of language comprehension?
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Quote:
Presuming all that is true - what does any of that have to do with a lack of language comprehension?
Well, I don't know, perhaps the part where he either FAILED to READ the topic, or, FAILED to UNDERSTAND it... (I'm guessing he failed to understand it, based on his comments.)
For example: I stated that I wrote a piece of code on the spot. (Here's a quick transcript.)
Quote:
I'm trying to figure out how to do "X" task. // Rephrased, obviously.
The best I can figure, is something like.
// CODE EXAMPLE - HERE (Snipped for brevity.)
(I typed this up here, I don't even know if that would compile, so, don't mind that.)
His response contained the following.
Quote:
I don't see a point in the code you show. If you found it on the Web, it does not mean it makes a lot of sense. I think you can take it seriously and simply write all the wrapper code you need by yourself.
So, I'm a code thief, and I need to take my programming more seriously and write my own code....
GTFO
Quote: I cannot see how could we help as you did not explain your ultimate goals.
Now, this is my favorite part. (The topic title, and the topic itself both clearly explained my goal.)
I was trying to create a C# style static using C++\CLI, it needed to be consumed by C#, and LOOK just like a normal C# static class in intellisense, etc,. (Lacking the knowledge of how to properly accomplish the task, and being unable to find any clues online, I asked, which led to this conversation.)
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Joe_Dert wrote: Well, I don't know, perhaps the part where he either FAILED to READ the topic,
or, FAILED to UNDERSTAND it
I read your entire response. I see nothing that suggests a language problem.
Failure to understand your response doesn't mean that the person would understand it if their language comprehension was better.
Nor does one case (individual) make a rule.
Joe_Dert wrote: So, I'm a code thief, and I need to take my programming more seriously and write
my own code....
Neither the individuals statement nor your response has anything to do with comprehension.
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No fluent English speaker would accuse you of stealing code, after you straight up, and directly explained that you wrote the f*cking code. (Unless they had VERY good reasons to be doing so, or were trolls, etc,.)
Anyways, you shouldn't be discussing anyone's language comprehension skills, as you seem to have issues with it yourself....
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Joe_Dert wrote: No fluent English speaker would accuse you of stealing code, after you straight
up, and directly explained that you wrote the f*cking code
That is nonsense - I have seen exactly that occur.
Joe_Dert wrote: Anyways, you shouldn't be discussing anyone's language comprehension skills, as
you seem to have issues with it yourself....
That of course is a personal attack. And since no context was given I will presume nothing more than that you did not understand what I wrote.
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First of all, this has absolutely nothing to do with language. English-speaking people could be jerks as well, and the opinion I'm about to express here isn't specific to any group.
This is directed at no individual, but a lot of *experts* have appeared out of nowhere who have presumed to have expertise on everything, and will answer queries on any topic with some vague text and a couple of links to other sites.
They'll keep doing it until their name is listed as a "top expert", and they accumulate the online points they've been aiming to get.
I suggest that you don't get into an argument with any of them. It won't be fruitful, and it will frankly be a complete waste of your time.
"Real men drive manual transmission" - Rajesh.
modified 13-Jun-13 1:35am.
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I appreciate you response.
But, this DOES have something to do with the language barrier:
Of course English speakers can be jerks as well, I do live on planet Earth, I'm aware of this, stop acting like it's news.
The question I posed, is simply a matter of etiquette when dealing with non-native English speakers, who haven't quite mastered the language. (And more specifically, when they choose to enter a debate.)
I've explained this several times.
You should be glad that I'm trying to be politically correct, instead of treating my like an a**hole for trying to be more culturally sensitive.
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Joe_Dert wrote: treating my like an a**hole
Joe, that ought to read "treating me like an"*. We haven't quite mastered the language yet, have we?
In my years here, I've seen that people who know the language as well can initiate a completely ludicrous debate with you, and probably ruin your day. And on the other hand, the "non-native speaker" may not even know that he was somehow offending you.
I'm not taking his side, and I completely understand that you visit this site to offer help to other programmers. But I'm just giving the benefit of doubt, and am suggesting that you don't sweat over such small things.
And I'm definitely not treating you like an a**hole, unlike several other posters who did. I'm not sure what gave you that opinion.
*To see if that's enough to infuriate you.
"Real men drive manual transmission" - Rajesh.
modified 14-Jun-13 1:23am.
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