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I wasn't aware of that. (I knew it was sort of a "general" chat.)
Btw, I've had serious conversations in the lounge, it's true, look it up.
(They should definitely add troll warnings to the description, it said, come, relax, talk about what's on your mind, no one mentioned this cluster f*ck. Is that all part of the show?)
:P
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In general be patient.
There are some pretty awesome non-English speakers on here. FFS, them Geordies need someone to listen to them.
Reality is an illusion caused by a lack of alcohol
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That's it ahm gannin for t'get me ganzie.
“Education is not the piling on of learning, information, data, facts, skills, or abilities - that's training or instruction - but is rather making visible what is hidden as a seed”
“One of the greatest problems of our time is that many are schooled but few are educated”
Sir Thomas More (1478 – 1535)
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I think a little context might be helpful for people to understand it completely. A link to the relevant discussion, please?
"Real men drive manual transmission" - Rajesh.
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Rajesh R Subramanian wrote: A link to the relevant discussion, please?
I think he got into an argument with S A Kryukov 
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Yes, I did.
He's abrasive, he fails to read\understand topics, and makes ridiculous suggestions that generally have nothing to do with any sort of actual solution.
But, he had little to do with this topic, he's a minor fraction of the problem.
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Why didn't you say so!
I have gotten into it with SAK over language issues (see here).
He is very... *searches for kind phrasing*... set in his opinions.
In any event, he's a great help to the site... I'd just let him keep doing his thing.
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AspDotNetDev wrote: He is very... *searches for kind phrasing*... set in his opinions.
I read this as: "He is a major sunshine"
If you think you can do a thing or think you can't do a thing, you're right - Henry Ford
Emmanuel Medina Lopez
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I didn't say that. But I didn't not say that either. 
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Joe_Dert wrote: He's abrasive, he fails to read\understand topics, and makes ridiculous
suggestions that generally have nothing to do with any sort of actual solution.
Presuming all that is true - what does any of that have to do with a lack of language comprehension?
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Quote:
Presuming all that is true - what does any of that have to do with a lack of language comprehension?
Well, I don't know, perhaps the part where he either FAILED to READ the topic, or, FAILED to UNDERSTAND it... (I'm guessing he failed to understand it, based on his comments.)
For example: I stated that I wrote a piece of code on the spot. (Here's a quick transcript.)
Quote:
I'm trying to figure out how to do "X" task. // Rephrased, obviously.
The best I can figure, is something like.
// CODE EXAMPLE - HERE (Snipped for brevity.)
(I typed this up here, I don't even know if that would compile, so, don't mind that.)
His response contained the following.
Quote:
I don't see a point in the code you show. If you found it on the Web, it does not mean it makes a lot of sense. I think you can take it seriously and simply write all the wrapper code you need by yourself.
So, I'm a code thief, and I need to take my programming more seriously and write my own code....
GTFO
Quote: I cannot see how could we help as you did not explain your ultimate goals.
Now, this is my favorite part. (The topic title, and the topic itself both clearly explained my goal.)
I was trying to create a C# style static using C++\CLI, it needed to be consumed by C#, and LOOK just like a normal C# static class in intellisense, etc,. (Lacking the knowledge of how to properly accomplish the task, and being unable to find any clues online, I asked, which led to this conversation.)
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Joe_Dert wrote: Well, I don't know, perhaps the part where he either FAILED to READ the topic,
or, FAILED to UNDERSTAND it
I read your entire response. I see nothing that suggests a language problem.
Failure to understand your response doesn't mean that the person would understand it if their language comprehension was better.
Nor does one case (individual) make a rule.
Joe_Dert wrote: So, I'm a code thief, and I need to take my programming more seriously and write
my own code....
Neither the individuals statement nor your response has anything to do with comprehension.
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No fluent English speaker would accuse you of stealing code, after you straight up, and directly explained that you wrote the f*cking code. (Unless they had VERY good reasons to be doing so, or were trolls, etc,.)
Anyways, you shouldn't be discussing anyone's language comprehension skills, as you seem to have issues with it yourself....
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Joe_Dert wrote: No fluent English speaker would accuse you of stealing code, after you straight
up, and directly explained that you wrote the f*cking code
That is nonsense - I have seen exactly that occur.
Joe_Dert wrote: Anyways, you shouldn't be discussing anyone's language comprehension skills, as
you seem to have issues with it yourself....
That of course is a personal attack. And since no context was given I will presume nothing more than that you did not understand what I wrote.
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First of all, this has absolutely nothing to do with language. English-speaking people could be jerks as well, and the opinion I'm about to express here isn't specific to any group.
This is directed at no individual, but a lot of *experts* have appeared out of nowhere who have presumed to have expertise on everything, and will answer queries on any topic with some vague text and a couple of links to other sites.
They'll keep doing it until their name is listed as a "top expert", and they accumulate the online points they've been aiming to get.
I suggest that you don't get into an argument with any of them. It won't be fruitful, and it will frankly be a complete waste of your time.
"Real men drive manual transmission" - Rajesh.
modified 13-Jun-13 1:35am.
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I appreciate you response.
But, this DOES have something to do with the language barrier:
Of course English speakers can be jerks as well, I do live on planet Earth, I'm aware of this, stop acting like it's news.
The question I posed, is simply a matter of etiquette when dealing with non-native English speakers, who haven't quite mastered the language. (And more specifically, when they choose to enter a debate.)
I've explained this several times.
You should be glad that I'm trying to be politically correct, instead of treating my like an a**hole for trying to be more culturally sensitive.
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Joe_Dert wrote: treating my like an a**hole
Joe, that ought to read "treating me like an"*. We haven't quite mastered the language yet, have we?
In my years here, I've seen that people who know the language as well can initiate a completely ludicrous debate with you, and probably ruin your day. And on the other hand, the "non-native speaker" may not even know that he was somehow offending you.
I'm not taking his side, and I completely understand that you visit this site to offer help to other programmers. But I'm just giving the benefit of doubt, and am suggesting that you don't sweat over such small things.
And I'm definitely not treating you like an a**hole, unlike several other posters who did. I'm not sure what gave you that opinion.
*To see if that's enough to infuriate you.
"Real men drive manual transmission" - Rajesh.
modified 14-Jun-13 1:23am.
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Joe_Dert wrote: The question I posed, is simply a matter of etiquette when dealing with non-native English speakers, who haven't quite mastered the language. (And more specifically, when they choose to enter a debate.)
Which I answered too in my previous post, by stating that there's no need to argue with them as it won't be fruitful.
"Real men drive manual transmission" - Rajesh.
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People don't come here because it is an english speaking forum to argue with commonwealth natives... They come here because it an international website with 10 million members and they have a chance to discuss with some peers. If the "foreigners" (I guess you know you are also someone's foreigner...) could get that in their native language they would probably not bother you here.
BTW why don't you stick to a local forum of your own ??
Seulement, dans certains cas, n'est-ce pas, on n'entend guère que ce qu'on désire entendre et ce qui vous arrange le mieux... [^]
Joe never complained of anything but ever did his duty in his way of life, with a strong hand, a quiet tongue, and a gentle heart [^]
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Guirec Le Bars wrote: BTW why don't you stick to a local forum of your own ??
Shut up, you cheese eating surrender monkey.
Michael Martin
Australia
"I controlled my laughter and simple said "No,I am very busy,so I can't write any code for you". The moment they heard this all the smiling face turned into a sad looking face and one of them farted. So I had to leave the place as soon as possible."
- Mr.Prakash One Fine Saturday. 24/04/2004
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To be fair the Aussies really haven't been tested.
Until someone cares enough about Australia to invade it...
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whatdya talking about? us kiwis have been invading quietly for years.
Someone has to get the work done around here.
B
MCAD
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MehGerbil wrote: To be fair the Aussies really haven't been tested.
Until someone cares enough about Australia to invade it...
Mate, we wouldn't have to do a thing. The wild life would take care of everything for us.
Michael Martin
Australia
"I controlled my laughter and simple said "No,I am very busy,so I can't write any code for you". The moment they heard this all the smiling face turned into a sad looking face and one of them farted. So I had to leave the place as soon as possible."
- Mr.Prakash One Fine Saturday. 24/04/2004
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That's simply awesome!
A movie on this story line could be better than many of the latest Hollywood flicks.
"Real men drive manual transmission" - Rajesh.
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Well, according alexa [^] , codeproject should be in Hindi; and we (non-hindi speaking) would be the ones that does not properly speak "native".
Seriously, people have different way of interacting with other people, sometimes, it seems they are arguing, but they are just having a normal discussion, and the difference in language makes it more "argumentative" than it really is.
Nihil obstat
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