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Rage wrote: Everything is funny, but not with everyone.
I agree.
That said, I've lost my patience with people who selectively filter offenses - usually in such a way that let's them wrap themselves in a mantle of 'caring' and 'tolerance'. Meanwhile, I read things on this forum every day that I could choose to find offensive but I realize it's The Lounge and nobody means to offend.
To say, 'I don't believe your post is funny.' is one thing.
To begin making judgments about the kind of person I am crosses the line.
This isn't a breast cancer survivor's forum.
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I am 100% with you.
Still, a lot of people laughed at my making funny of Armstrong (I used to before I hated him for real), so I guess loosing a ball is less serious than becoming a plancha.
~RaGE();
I think words like 'destiny' are a way of trying to find order where none exists. - Christian Graus
Do not feed the troll ! - Common proverb
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MehGerbil wrote: I've lost my patience with people who selectively filter offenses
er... that just happens to be human nature. we all do it based on our own thoughts, opinions and prejudices, Just because someone doesn't mean to offend doesn't mean that something they write will be inoffensive to everyone. Grow a pair, suck it up and move on.... after all, does it really bother you that much?
Rhys
"If you ever start taking things too seriously, just remember that we are talking monkeys on an organic spaceship flying through the Universe"
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Rhys Gravell wrote: .... after all, does it really bother you that much?
It's enough to drive me to drink.
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MehGerbil wrote: ...and nobody means to offend.
I doubt that.
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I doubt the sincerity of anything in this post. You have a history of borderline subject matter here and if this is your version of humour I feel sorry for you and those around you.
I stand by what I said.
Reality is an illusion caused by a lack of alcohol
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Nagy Vilmos wrote: I doubt the sincerity of anything in this post.
Well of course you'll take this position. The thought that you could actually offend people is outside the range of possibility, isn't it? Instead of dealing with the fact that you mock alcoholism every single day, a disease that is deadly and likely touches everyone in this forum, you decide to deflect.
So instead of dealing with Nagy offending people we'll downshift:
1: We'll deflect to my posting history.
2: We'll deal with the fact that you don't believe I'm sincere.
3: Or you'll take a stand as a true man and "stand by what I said".
^ All that is bullshit deflection.
And for the record, I find your posts amusing because despite the alcoholism in my family I can separate between what you write on this forum and what is going on in my life. I realize that when you talk about getting loaded or coming down off a three day bender that you aren't seeking to hurt anyone else or spit on their graves. It's The Lounge, after all, and in that context your posts are obviously intended as humor and are fine.
I ask for the same respect.
Won't get it - but then I've lived without it up until now.
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He's got a point,and it seems like he's trying to find middle ground, which you don't seem to be, better to calm down a bit.
Also, even if it may be a sensitive topic for some(many?) people the original post is, in any case, slightly innapropiate, take it for what it is.
If you think you can do a thing or think you can't do a thing, you're right - Henry Ford
Emmanuel Medina Lopez
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He has a point: why can you joke about continually drinking gin (in fact not just you, there is a communal spirit about the excessive drinking jokes, and not just your drinking either, for example there's MM), when alcoholism is a serious problem that Lounge posters will have experience of, and a joke about Jolie's breasts is suddenly off limits because breast cancer is also a serious problem that Lounge posters will have experience of?
Don't find it funny? Well, fine; your gin drinking lines get old too for some of us. But jumping on a high horse and claiming the moral high ground because you don't like this particular piece of 'borderline subject matter', when you yourself are the centre of a different piece of it, is hypocritical and not really in the spirit of the Lounge.
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Nagy Vilmos wrote: I doubt the sincerity of anything in this post. You have a history of
borderline subject matter here and if this is your version of humour I feel
sorry for you and those around you.
Perhaps you need to get out more?
Most humor is offensive to some people. And not just 60% but more like 99.999%.
A significant amount of humor is offensive to a lot of people. And the term "shock jock" originated with comedy for that very reason.
One can only just ignore it and move on. Or move to a country where the government is willing to curtail anything that offends.
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MehGerbil wrote: I could use to describe this post: hypocritical, thoughtless, moronic.
They'd be wrong though.
MehGerbil wrote: I have family members that suffer from alcoholism - something you mock every
single day.
The faults of other men don't make yours any better.
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MehGerbil wrote: The same goes for the rest of the politically correct, hyper-sensitive morons
I'm not sure that mastectomies qualify for political-correctness, and calling others morons hardly qualifies for the moral high ground, especially given your next sentence:
MehGerbil wrote: Respectfully disagreeing is one thing - the attacks are unwarranted.
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Pete O'Hanlon wrote: and calling others morons hardly qualifies for the moral high ground...
I'm not the least bit interested in gaining the moral high ground.
I don't like having a double standard applied to my posts and I served notice.
That was my only objective.
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MehGerbil wrote: I don't like having a double standard applied to my posts and I served notice.
That was my only objective.
Fair enough, but I'm not sure who else you were targeting there.
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Nagy, unfortunately, is a stand in for a disproportional amount of scrutiny only because his constant references to drinking made it easy to illustrate the point. I don't mind that he tells drinking jokes and I don't mind that he disagrees with the post being distasteful. That is all fair game.
However, it crosses the line when someone who constantly makes lite of [insert serious problem] uses someone else's mocking of [insert serious problem] as a launching pad for self-righteous drivel.
People are free to voice their disapproval.
Poor taste?
Sure.
But don't make out that I'm spitting on the graves of the dearly departed or trying to hurt people here that have suffered losses due to this terrible disease.
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Nagy Vilmos wrote: Reality is an illusion caused by a lack of alcohol
Time to remedy to reality, I think.
~RaGE();
I think words like 'destiny' are a way of trying to find order where none exists. - Christian Graus
Do not feed the troll ! - Common proverb
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Flip a coin.
Heads? The Lounge laughs at your insensitive joke.
Tails? The Lounge turns out to be filled with moralfags and white knights and your joke is condemned.
I have been unable to find a model that predicts the outcome any more accurately, and the fact that the same joke can evoke both behaviors if it is used multiple times appears to suggest that an element of randomness really is involved.
Further study: determine the relative probabilities.
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Indeed, we are a fickle lot.
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La Yoda e Mobile?
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Obscurum per obscurius.
Ad astra per alas porci.
Quidquid latine dictum sit, altum videtur.
CCC Link[ ^]
Can you Help?
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I've noticed exactly the same pattern as you.
harold aptroot wrote: the fact that the same joke can evoke both behaviors if it is used multiple
times appears to suggest that an element of randomness really is involved
No it's all about who's cracking the joke.
Be excellent to each other. And... PARTY ON, DUDES!
Abraham Lincoln
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Good theory, that does explain a lot.
I would refine it to "it's all about who the person who's cracking the joke appears to be", because it's not always clear, and PB gets different reactions when he posts as PB than when he posts as popeye boermyth.
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Yes, I've noticed exactly that too.
harold aptroot wrote: popeye boermyth
Missed that one, I wonder if we should ask him to keep a list of aliases to make it easier for us.
Be excellent to each other. And... PARTY ON, DUDES!
Abraham Lincoln
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Jörgen Andersson wrote: it's all about who's cracking the joke
This.
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Isn't this the behaviour of any group?
a) Well liked people get more slack than non-well liked ones
b) Regulars get more slack than non regulars
c) Anyone who has a history of being a dick has little slack
d) People from backgrounds differing to a sort of average for the the normal group get less slack, compounded by the fact such people are more likely to transgress the norms of the group.
e) Newbies have a weird place: a certain amount will be tolerated, but less so than groups a & b. Consistent violation will be spanked harder and faster than other groups once the toleration is used up. Acceptance takes time.
I think you'll find after you pass it through the system, you'll get equally good results as flipping a coin.
“Education is not the piling on of learning, information, data, facts, skills, or abilities - that's training or instruction - but is rather making visible what is hidden as a seed”
“One of the greatest problems of our time is that many are schooled but few are educated”
Sir Thomas More (1478 – 1535)
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Pretty complicated model, but it looks promising.
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