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Pete O'Hanlon wrote: It doesn't make the argument any less valid by trivialising it and using potatoes in it's place.
I'm genuinely curious. What could he have used that would even approach a firearm?
Pete O'Hanlon wrote: How about if you'd substituted bricks in there instead?
OK. Let's suppose he took bricks in there. Would twelve people have been killed and fifty-eight injured? Would he have used a wheelbarrow, or just carried three or four in his arms?
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Whether one or twelve doesn't matter - any loss of life is unconscionable. And you only need one heavy object to injure or kill.
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Pete O'Hanlon wrote: Whether one or twelve doesn't matter - any loss of life is unconscionable. And you only need one heavy object to injure or kill.
I agree that any loss of life is unconscionable, but I certainly don't agree that it doesn't matter whether one person is murdered or twelve.
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Pete O'Hanlon wrote: Whether one or twelve doesn't matter - any loss of life is unconscionable.
Sorry but that's rubbish. There is certainly a difference between killing 12 people and killing 1, and if you can change a 12 into a 1 then that's certainly worthwhile.
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So if I go out and kill 1 it's less reprehensible than killing 12? I'm sorry, but you are talking complete bollocks there and unfortunately this thread has gone completely off the track of saying how stupid it is to get that worked up over a piece of prime time schlock TV.
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So if I go out and kill 1 it's less reprehensible than killing 12?
Uh, yes. I don't understand how you don't see that 
That's why we've all heard of Anders Breivik and not the thousands of people who kill one other person.
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Pete O'Hanlon wrote: So if I go out and kill 1 it's less reprehensible than killing 12?
Certainly that is true in most of the US based on the law. Multiple deaths are more likely to result in a death penalty or more severe penalty.
Certainly true in the press. Single deaths are unlikely to lead to national coverage.
Certainly true to some extent in the international community. I don't recall any calls for international war crime trials because someone killed a single person.
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Ravel H. Joyce wrote: What could he have used that would even approach a firearm?
How about some of the homemade grenades he booby-trapped his apartment with? He had over 30 of them in his apartment wired up to traps. What if he walked in and lobbed a half dozen grenades into the crowd. More than 12 people would have died. What's your argument now? How about we ban all of the items that could possibly be used to make explosive devices. There goes all modern technology, cleaning supplies, gardening supplies, gasoline/diesel. If people want to kill, they will find a way, regardless of how well regulated anything is.
Don't blame me. I voted for Chuck Norris.
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FyreWyrm wrote: How about some of the homemade grenades he booby-trapped his apartment with? He had over 30 of them in his apartment wired up to traps. What if he walked in and lobbed a half dozen grenades into the crowd. More than 12 people would have died. What's your argument now? How about we ban all of the items that could possibly be used to make explosive devices.
Very few people can successfully make explosives. Moreover, explosives require preparation, more often than not. Consider Anders Breivik - he killed eight people with his car-bomb and sixty-nine with his guns.
FyreWyrm wrote: There goes all modern technology, cleaning supplies, gardening supplies, gasoline/diesel. If people want to kill, they will find a way, regardless of how well regulated anything is.
If people are determined, they will. Most shootings are not so premeditated; nobody mixes up some fertilizer explosive immediately after he catches his wife cheating on him.
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Ravel H. Joyce wrote: I've always hated that argument.
Agreed. To me, it obfuscates the more important issues of why this person has such a warped sense of reality that he would become violent even discussing the topic.
Marc
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I wish I could upvote that. Not the shootings, the potatoes.
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Pete O'Hanlon wrote: No, this isn't an attempt to start a debate on gun control.
So what is this?
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It's the highlighting of an idiot who shot his girlfriend over a TV show.
Lobster Thermidor aux crevettes with a Mornay sauce, served in a Provençale manner with shallots and aubergines, garnished with truffle pate, brandy and a fried egg on top and Spam - Monty Python Spam Sketch
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It was meant to be a link to how stupid some people get - arguing over the reality (or not) of a show about Zombies. Sadly, I failed miserably.
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Nice try, but when guns are involved there will be a debate. It's the law.
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I know. What can I say? I had my stupid gene engaged.
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Pete O'Hanlon wrote: unfortunately, in this case, stupid watches TV.
or... stupid watches idiot box.
Well the show went downhill in this season, I hope they cancel/end it before it becomes soap. (Hey, no one is planning to shot me right? RIGHT!?)
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I watched the first series and enjoyed it. From what I gather, it went downhill from there.
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Agree, once they abandoned following the comic books, the quality suffered. but still season 2 has some creative writing. but in season 3, they ran out of ideas.
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And too many stupids spend the entire day reading a book. I mean Facebook! those doomed Facebook addicts rot their time into darkness. 
Starting to think people post kid pics in their profiles because that was the last time they were cute - Jeremy.
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Pete O'Hanlon wrote: stupid watches TV
You may have cause and effect reversed. :shrug:
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 I'll grant you that.
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If you read our local news papers, you'll disagree with yourself.
Out of 10 murder attempts by knife or sharp weapons, at least 3-4 recover through first aid and immediate admission into ICU.
And when you look into most cases, they say "The victim bled to death". Which means the victim has been unattended for hours after the attack.
Only few cases end in immediate death. Like a stab straight to the heart, slitting the throat. etc. But all these can never draw parallel to a head shot. Am I right?
Starting to think people post kid pics in their profiles because that was the last time they were cute - Jeremy.
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