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I do that without being asked, but that doesn't illustrate my ability to debug nor research a coding technique that I may npot be familiar with. That's why I suggested giving them a company laptop and letting them "have at it".
".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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One of our primary concerns is also the ability to deal with making a abstract concept into a working solution. A lot of folks are happy to work with a detailed spec sheet and purely code\develop from that but it's harder to find people that can engage stakeholders and transform their concepts into reality.
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Mario Luis wrote: detailed spec sheet
I don't think I have ever seen one of those.
Can I have a job?
Every man can tell how many goats or sheep he possesses, but not how many friends.
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I think a detailed spec sheet is one of those mythical creatures like unicorns, in SME's.
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Agency every time - but I like to develop a relationship with an agency - they get to know my likes and dislikes, and only put forward candidates they think I will like.
I always go exclusively through a single agency (and get lower rates for that)
The screening process pays for itself after a few recruits - of course if recruiting is rare, the payback may take longer - but when my boss insisted we went direct, guess who had to read through 64 CVs?
After about a year, and one permie and two contractors through a single recruiter at an agency, we were only getting two or three applications through, at most, and I would probably have employed all of them. We never wasted time with people turning up, then not liking the sound of the role - the agency knew us well enough to put them off before they crossed our threshold.
word of mouth can be fine - but I always take care to promise nothing, and still interview carefully - their pal might think they're a genius, but they need to prove it to me!
Poaching can be OK if you know the person (and then it's word of mouth really!) I have had the experience where someone who was poached (not by me) got a little too big for their boots, so impressed were they by being singled out,
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_Maxxx_ wrote: - but when my boss insisted we went direct, guess who had to read through 64
CVs?
My fear. Been down that road with a previous company. I actually enjoy the whole interview process as it's always very interesting to get someone to talk about their experience and how they applied their knowledge. This normally tells me quickly who knows what they are talking about and those who are just wind. The reason I separated poaching and word of mouth is I lean towards the old saying, "Don't mix family with business", I tend to apply this with friends or associates I know closely as it can easily ruin a friendship. Poaching is more not knowing the person and by word of mouth I meant friend or associate.
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All of them. You never know who turns up. 
Dr D Evans "The whole idea that carbon dioxide is the main cause of the recent global warming is based on a guess that was proved false by empirical evidence during the 1990s" financialpost
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Mario Luis wrote: In your experience, through what medium are you generally most likely to find
the best applicants?
Either hire someone you worked with and know them well or someone recommended by a person you trust. Everything else is a gamble.
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Mario Luis wrote: through what medium are you generally most likely to find the best applicants?
I'm sorry, I know I shouldn't, but I have to;
Through the medium of interpretive dance.
Through Derek Acorah[^].
And so on.
Every man can tell how many goats or sheep he possesses, but not how many friends.
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How are Recruitment Agencies in the list?
99% of recruiters:
"Do you have X" where X is requirement for job
"What is your rate?" if rate <= client pay - recruiter pay then submit
The other 1%
"What is your rate?" if rate <= client pay - recruiter pay then submit
$33,000 dollars to prescreen a candidate is a lot of money. (Estimate based on $50/hr for candidate * 2000 hours with 33% recruiter mark-up (industry standard)) Now if your recruiters make a fixed, $5 per hour that is another story.
Put an add in the newspaper with an email address. HotJobs aggegrates newspaper listings (as do others) and go through the résumés. Make a short-list. If you do not have the time or staff hire a consultant to review the short list and tech interview them for a shorter list.
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I actually hate agencies, they're just after the money and a lot of times, those recruiters don't even know what they're talking about. So they'll talk to people simply to get a large database of people whether qualified or not.
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Recomendation from staff, they don't want to loose their job by recomending a numpty. Then use a trusted agency.
Panic, Chaos, Destruction.
My work here is done.
or "Drink. Get drunk. Fall over." - P O'H
OK, I will win to day or my name isn't Ethel Crudacre! - DD Ethel Crudacre
Have a bit more patience with newbies. Of course some of them act dumb -- they're often *students*, for heaven's sake. -- (Terry Pratchett, alt.fan.pratchett)
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We use XING[^].
It's a pretty common thing here in Germany - don't know how it is used in other countries. Unless you don't have a valid Xing-account, you simply do not take business serious.
regards
Torsten
I never finish anyth...
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TorstenH. wrote: It's a pretty common thing here in Germany - don't know how it is used in other
countries. Unless you don't have a valid Xing-account, you simply do not take
business serious.
seems like some LinkedIn like crap.
are you an ad bot?
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na, unfortunately I have to work in the real work...
Xing is a something like a social network for professionals. Especially as a IT professional one has to have an account there.
It's pretty popular here for organizing the "official part" of the social networking. It's not free (for real use, you can have a simple account for free) but worth it.
regards
Torsten
I never finish anyth...
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TorstenH. wrote: na, unfortunately I have to work in the real work...
are you sure you're not an ad bot?
TorstenH. wrote: the "official part" of the social networking.
oh i am seeing where the problem is.
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6 months ago, I found my current position via a recruiter. Yesterday the recruiter called and asked
"Are you looking for a new position?"
Me: "No, you guys just placed me in November"
Recruiter: "Oh, well let me tell you about an opportunity in your industry."
Me: "I think you are talking about the company I work for now, the same one you placed me at in November. So you are saying you want me to leave the position you placed me in, to interview for a position in the company you placed me it?"
Recruiter: "Where do you work?";
Me: "XXXX"
Recruiter: "You are correct. Sorry for taking your time."
I went back to my desk and told my manager that I was going to resign and interview for the open position. He found it quite funny and gave the agency some sh*t for it.
Craigslist Troll: litaly@comcast.net
"I have a theory that the truth is never told during the nine-to-five hours. "
— Hunter S. Thompson
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I don't know about hiring; but for firing, ask The Donald 
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Online job ads are a lot cheaper, but most companies use recruitment agencies, anyway. With recruitment agencies, you're basically paying thousands of dollars for a non-technical person to make sure applicants know how to print out a resume, dress in business clothing, drive to their office, and say that they think they are qualified for the job.
Maybe that service is worth thousands of dollars; I don't know.
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Vote for my friend's shed as shed of the year;
http://sheds.ws/kRMx4t[^]
Or vote for another shed, or none at all, makes no difference to me.
Every man can tell how many goats or sheep he possesses, but not how many friends.
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ChrisElston wrote: Or vote for another shed, or none at all, makes no difference to me.
Then why are you asking us to vote at all? 
3x12=36
2x12=24
1x12=12
0x12=18
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Largely because I was amused at the concept of shed of the year or a website called readers sheds.
Plus with this site being populated by a load of contrary buggers urging them to do one thing generally results in the other (not that I don't appreciate a bit of the other now and then you understand).
Every man can tell how many goats or sheep he possesses, but not how many friends.
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Recording studio shed! Floats my boat!
Dr D Evans "The whole idea that carbon dioxide is the main cause of the recent global warming is based on a guess that was proved false by empirical evidence during the 1990s" financialpost
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Rubish! It's this one[^] all the way!
Panic, Chaos, Destruction.
My work here is done.
or "Drink. Get drunk. Fall over." - P O'H
OK, I will win to day or my name isn't Ethel Crudacre! - DD Ethel Crudacre
Have a bit more patience with newbies. Of course some of them act dumb -- they're often *students*, for heaven's sake. -- (Terry Pratchett, alt.fan.pratchett)
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