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You didn't want to make $100?
Why can't I be applicable like John? - Me, April 2011 ----- Beidh ceol, caint agus craic againn - Seán Bán Breathnach ----- Da mihi sis crustum Etruscum cum omnibus in eo! ----- Just because a thing is new don’t mean that it’s better - Will Rogers, September 4, 1932
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I couldn't remember my old account details, so I thought I'd see if it had improved in that respect. But since the change to VWorker, you have to give them all your payment details before you can see what work is available. F that!
Real men don't use instructions. They are only the manufacturers opinion on how to put the thing together.
Manfred R. Bihy: "Looks as if OP is learning resistant."
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Very understandable. It is like I always say: If you are only paying peanuts, you should not wonder too much about only having monkeys apply for the job.
"I just exchanged opinions with my boss. I went in with mine and came out with his." - me, 2011
--- I am endeavoring, Madam, to construct a mnemonic memory circuit using stone knives and bearskins - Mr. Spock 1935 and me 2011
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as i said i know these different sites like renacoder, freelancer odesk, but problem is developer like me having 7 month of experience dont get projects. people prefer expreienced developers for their work
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With that attitude you're never gonna get work.
If that's how you look at it, the only solution is: Get more experience before looking for freelance work.
Why can't I be applicable like John? - Me, April 2011 ----- Beidh ceol, caint agus craic againn - Seán Bán Breathnach ----- Da mihi sis crustum Etruscum cum omnibus in eo! ----- Just because a thing is new don’t mean that it’s better - Will Rogers, September 4, 1932
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thats why am asking, "what should we do" ?
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1) Try getting experience/knowledge parallel to any development job you might have. Take extra courses, read books (coloured magazines with pictures of lightly dressed women don't help)
2) Try out sites like www.vworker.com[^] - make offers for small projects. But be realistic: Only make offers for stuff you're reasonably sure you can actually do. Making offers for stuff you can't do is a sure way to fail and get a negative rep. Build up the experience that way.
Why can't I be applicable like John? - Me, April 2011 ----- Beidh ceol, caint agus craic againn - Seán Bán Breathnach ----- Da mihi sis crustum Etruscum cum omnibus in eo! ----- Just because a thing is new don’t mean that it’s better - Will Rogers, September 4, 1932
modified on Thursday, April 28, 2011 8:53 AM
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I agree, if you believe you actually posses the skills to do a good job with the projects (which after 7 months - as a self taught person myself, I have to be honest - is probably a stretch), start by doing the work for cheap,- cheap, in order to build a portfolio that will give your potential clients confidence in your work.
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Start taking projects for law prices and make a name for your self.
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First you need to practice - wax on / wax off - until it becomes second nature.
And eat bacon. Bacon's real important for 'puters.
Panic, Chaos, Destruction.
My work here is done.
or "Drink. Get drunk. Fall over." - P O'H
OK, I will win to day or my name isn't Ethel Crudacre! - DD Ethel Crudacre
Have a bit more patience with newbies. Of course some of them act dumb -- they're often *students*, for heaven's sake. -- (Terry Pratchett, alt.fan.pratchett)
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Nagy Vilmos wrote: And eat bacon. Bacon's real important for 'puters.
That line is brilliant +5
As barmey as a sack of badgers
Dude, if I knew what I was doing in life, I'd be rich, retired, dating a supermodel and laughing at the rest of you from the sidelines.
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What do you mean by "we"?
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waqas316 wrote: people prefer expreienced developers for their work
I wonder why?
"If you think it's expensive to hire a professional to do the job, wait until you hire an amateur." Red Adair.
nils illegitimus carborundum
me, me, me
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i really dont know. 
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I wouldn't hire you simply because you cannot be arsed to capitalise initial letters.
Seriously.
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First and foremost Keep trying, don't lose hope. Make programming your hobby, take up some personal projects. In this way you will gain experience and an attractive portfolio. Also check how you write cover letter. Is it one for all the projects or a customized for each job
No matter how fast light travels, it finds the darkness has always got there first, and is waiting for it
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If you mean free instead of freelance, there are tons of homework questions posted here daily that you can take a shot at. You'll help out some poor miserable student who'll end up as a crappy developer anyway. So nothing gained, nothing lost (for him), and you get some coding experience.
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Aw Nish, that's cold. I like it!
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Are you actually that stupid?
You need to be an expert in a particular field/technology with a proven track record before you can get the big bucks you get contracting.
Dr D Evans "The whole idea that carbon dioxide is the main cause of the recent global warming is based on a guess that was proved false by empirical evidence during the 1990s" financialpost
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A friend of mine is working in a public school. A few weeks ago, she happened to ask one of the farting little sh!ts darling little kids what he wanted to do when he grew up.
In full earnest, he replied "I'm not going to work with anything. I plan on winning the lottery or hacking some credit account"...
How's that for a future pillar of society?
I could have told him that it's easier mugging little old ladies at the ATM in the end of the month when they come to withdraw their pension...
Why can't I be applicable like John? - Me, April 2011 ----- Beidh ceol, caint agus craic againn - Seán Bán Breathnach ----- Da mihi sis crustum Etruscum cum omnibus in eo! ----- Just because a thing is new don’t mean that it’s better - Will Rogers, September 4, 1932
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I suppose killing the little bastard and leaving his head on a pike outside the classroom as a lesson to others is out of the question?
Software Zen: delete this;
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I suspect so, but it IS an idea worth pursuing. I know a lot of people who are nothing but a waste of oxygen...
Why can't I be applicable like John? - Me, April 2011 ----- Beidh ceol, caint agus craic againn - Seán Bán Breathnach ----- Da mihi sis crustum Etruscum cum omnibus in eo! ----- Just because a thing is new don’t mean that it’s better - Will Rogers, September 4, 1932
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fat_boy wrote: Are you actually that stupid?
You need to be an expert in a particular field/technology with a proven track record before you can get the big bucks you get contracting.
Don't be surprised at this attitude. Our government schools are training our kids to believe that "everybody is a winner". Entitlement mentality is rampant. Those of us who paid our dues know better.
To the OP ... becoming a good developer is hard as hell. Don't expect to fall off a turnip truck and have people falling over themselves to hire you just because you call yourself a "programmer". Bust your ass at it for eight or ten years and then MAYBE you'll make a living at it. By the way ... you might want to learn how to write in English. I wouldn't hire someone who can't capitalize sentences or spell correctly. How the heck are you going to understand programming if you can't write English?
-Max
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Having gone freelance recently myself (Today in fact. See thread below) this is what I've found most helpful.
1) Go to local developer user groups and get to know people.
2) Speak at local developer user groups on topics that get you excited.
3) Have a website of technical stuff that you are interested in.
4) Make your code available online somehow. I have a github profile of personal projects, or you can focus on contribution to other open source projects, but do something that allows potential employers to review your code.
5) Get on linked in and connect with other developers in your area (who you met from the user group).
Ultimately what this boils down to is be active and visible.
The stuff above I have been doing for the last 2-3 years, not really with the intention of going freelance, but now I have I am pretty sure these activities were the biggest help.
When you are actually ready to commit, upload your CV to a few jobsites, and make sure people in your network know you are available.
Remember that when it comes to contract work it's not like permanent employment. Employers aren't interested in people with good potential, or who have the scope to be trained in a framework. You need to have a level of expertise in exactly what they want. Being just a general .net developer isn't good enough, you need to have specialisms. In a permanent job an employer might hire a .net dev who's only done WinForms because they know WPF can be taught quickly to someone good. Contract employers won't, you need to know WPF inside out from day 1 if that's what they use. You are going to need to be an expert. 7-8 months experience isn't much, you will need to show you are an expert. If you've been working on open source and personal projects for years prior then sure you should be able to land some contract work with only 7-8 months professional experience, but if your only development experience has been in those 7-8 months you probably need to spend some time working on your skill set first.
One thing I discovered is that most employers who want freelancers want them *immediately* they aren't interested in waiting for you to work out your months notice. When you are ready you have to fully commit and quit your job before you have anything solid to go to. There are of course exceptions to this, especially if you network and discover the need for something before it's really announced, but by the time most positions become public they are looking to fill at very short notice.
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