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Not the line 2 thing but the rest I've had in both VS2005 and VS2008 although not recently in 2008 and I only use 2005 infrequently.
Unlike you, however, I never found the secret *something*, the only cure in my case was to close VS and reopen it.
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Why do programmers often confuse Halloween and Christmas?
Because 31 Oct = 25 Dec.
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Have you tried turning it off then back on again?
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Sounds like dating advice - have you tried turning her on again?
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Sound advice is sound in many situations - up to and not excluding the fairer sex! (although knowing which buttons to press in that case is a matter of on-going research...)
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I suppose for those who are used to working completely in the IDE it would be weird to toggle back and forth between the compiler / debugger and an editor (though perhaps not as weird as being unable to edit line 2). I've been doing it so long it's natural to me and I simply can't imagine trusting my coding, i.e. what I spend most of my time doing when developing, to a subpar application.
No matter what I'm doing, I like power tools. I wouldn't use a chainsaw to change sparkplugs, so why would I want to use a compiler / debugger to write source code? The right tool for the job, and all that.
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What did you do during the war Grandpa Chris?
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Took potshots at smartass young whippersnappers like you, for the most part.
I'm not opposed to something that does the job better than The Old Way. I was using Borland Turbo C's IDE with glee when MS C coders were fumbling around with a command line compiler, separate debugger, and some clumsy excuse for a Microsoft editor (m, if I recall correctly). But as good as the Borland IDE was for its time, someone showed me Brief and how much faster I could get my job done with it, and I immediately switched my coding habits.
Intellisense is nice but Visual SlickEdit (and its competitors, I'm sure) do that, too. What, just because VS has a built in editor, I'm supposed to use it or I'm a Luddite? Even if it's pathetic? What if they threw in some photo editing capabilities - should I sell Photoshop?
Man, what Koolaid have you been drinking? And by the way, bubba - you're older than me, if I recall. 
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Christopher Duncan wrote: Man, what Koolaid have you been drinking? And by the way, bubba - you're older than me, if I recall.
In your dreams, sonny 
Christopher Duncan wrote: Intellisense is nice but Visual SlickEdit (and its competitors, I'm sure) do that, too. What, just because VS has a built in editor, I'm supposed to use it or I'm a Luddite? Even if it's pathetic? What if they threw in some photo editing capabilities - should I sell Photoshop?
Seriously, though, I agree with you on that. You need tools and good tools at that and the best tools available when possible. Although there's a limit. For instance, in various bits and pieces that I do I need to produce nice page layouts. Now I could sink a chunk of money into InDesign - and it's not like I couldn't afford to - but I'd never use an eighth of the features or get passed the learning curve which is why I go for something more accessible.
It's almost the same with VS, but slightly in reverse. VS does an extremely good job of masking the complexity of what's really going on at the expense of understanding what's really going on, but by masking that complexity it pretends that there is nothing better.
Bring back 6502 machine code, is what I say. I understood computers back then!
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martin_hughes wrote: In your dreams, sonny
martin_hughes wrote: Bring back 6502 machine code, is what I say. I understood computers back then!
"Warning. Error. Error. Vjer cannot compute. Error. Error... Must iron hands..."
Nice try masking the age there, old guy.
As for masking the complexity, I really grappled with that one recently. It turned out that the cheapest deal to get Photoshop CS4 was their Web Design Suite, which included Dreamweaver, Flash, et al. I happen to be in need of a new site, and I'd really just like to get it done. Dreamweaver, like FrontPage, Expression in a Blender, etc. is designed to make it easy for any monkey who can wiggle a mouse to kick out good looking stuff. Okay, sold so far. I just want the site up.
But wait, there's a catch. I also have to fetch data from Sql Server, process forms, and do a number of other things in C# behind the scenes. Crap. Now I suddenly care what's under the hood again. Thus hiding the complexity no longer serves me well. Even if Adobe and MS technologies played nicely together 100% (a pipe dream, of course), when I do need to look behind the curtain the generated code is going to be unreadable, poorly formatted crap. That's true of Dreamweaver, VS or anything else.
Seems there are really only two ways that things are done well. Visually design your stuff, and I mean stay 100% in the wysiwyg tools (Chris, how dare you edit VS's code, even if it's just line 2???), or fuggedabout the designers, code it yourself, and have maintainable code. If you take the latter path, I strongly suggest that you don't try to cut steak with a butter knife. Get a real editor.
As for what I did in the war, well... you know this was the kind of thing that the wars were fought over, right?
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Just us old boys and our war stories left  I shudder to think what archivists will make of it all in 10,000 years time  (Except that you were clearly older, obviously  )
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Yeah, every now and then I go out in the back yard and break a dinner plate, as a courtesy to future generations of archeologists.
And trust me. I was born old.
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Christopher Duncan wrote: I've been doing it so long it's natural to me and I simply can't imagine trusting my coding, i.e. what I spend most of my time doing when developing, to a subpar application.
That's a powerful statement which I do not think is true either.
Whatever, editor you are using does it understand code as code or does it simply consider it text? Does it have contextual Intellisense? Can it refactor your code? Modern IDE editors do that and even they have a few glitches, they do it better than any regular text editors. Text editors are meant to edit text, IDEs are meant to edit code. The right tool for editing text is a text editor and the right tool for editing code is an IDE. VS for C#/VB.NET and Eclipse for Java.
I am all for right tool for right job but the job has to be defined correctly and be known first
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Rama Krishna Vavilala wrote: Text editors are meant to edit text, IDEs are meant to edit code.
Text editors (notepad) are meant to edit text, IDEs are meant to compile and debug, with a built in editor to help you fix your screwup when you find it. Programmers editors are meant for programming, and doing it really, really fast. Intellisense, refactoring, etc. are supported by Visual SlickEdit and I suspect all of its peers.
As for the definition of the job, it's kicking out good, maintainable code and meeting the deadline. IDEs, with VS being a great example, try to be all things to all people. That's rarely a recipe for best in class functionality.
And by the way, I didn't just come up with this perspective out of the clear blue sky. I've used IDEs, visual design tools, programmers editors, etc. over the years, and that's how I've formed my opinions on the merits of half assed IDE editors, half assed IDE visual design tools (yeah, VS, I'm talkin' to you), etc. For compiling and debugging, VS gets my vote, but it's hardly best of breed in the other categories.
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What does Visual Slick Edit give me which the IDE editor does not?
I see that it is full of features but I can see all those features in VS editor too. Also I do not see it supporting any kind of refactoring.
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Well for one thing, you can edit Line 2.
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That's something Chris found probably the soy latte did not work for him . He needs real coffee.
I tried SlickEdit after a friend recommended it, but he was not able to show me anything concrete which was not already there in VS. He had lot of "Aha" moments.
I do not buy that the whole premise that VS editor is somehow half baked or that IDE's meant for writing, compiling and debugging code cannot be good in all these things. In fact code editing is much more of a defining feature of an IDE than the ability to debug.
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Have you tried disabling all the addons/extensions you have. Perhaps, you've just got a buggy extension.
You know..like have you installed the addon called ThouShaltNotTouchLineTwo?
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Chris Maunder wrote: Today is "Thou Shalt Not Touch Line 2 Day".
how will you do THAT graphic for Bob??
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Shhhhh.... I am not really here. I am a figment of your imagination.... I am still in my cave so this must be an illusion....
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Just don't ask where line 2 is.
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I was about to install that monstrosity. You're giving me pause.
.45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly
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I'd rather watch Christian install it. He doesn't have guns.
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I take it CTRL/F5 does not fix it for you?
I can only suggest you put a big 5-line comment block on top of every file you create.
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"WPF has many lovers. It's a veritable porn star!" - Josh Smith As Braveheart once said, "You can take our freedom but you'll never take our Hobnobs!" - Martin Hughes.
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See? that wasn't hard, was it? Not worth the fuss.
Such functionality could easily be added to the CodeProject Visual Studio add-in.
Luc Pattyn [Forum Guidelines] [Why QA sucks] [My Articles]
I only read formatted code with indentation, so please use PRE tags for code snippets.
I'm not participating in frackin' Q&A, so if you want my opinion, ask away in a real forum (or on my profile page).
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VS has decided that line 2 is the best line of code you've ever written and is making sure you don't throw it all away.
Christian Graus
Driven to the arms of OSX by Vista.
Read my blog to find out how I've worked around bugs in Microsoft tools and frameworks.
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