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I am starting to think I made a mistake when I posted my 2 cents earlier.
Thanks.
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'Tis often the way.
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Can you prove this fact? I've know many women that completely out work their male counterparts.
And above all things, never think that you're not good enough yourself. A man should never think that. My belief is that in life people will take you at your own reckoning. --Isaac Asimov
Avoid the crowd. Do your own thinking independently. Be the chess player, not the chess piece. --Ralph Charell
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See Richard's/my posts above.
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Truth is, I was told this fact by a financial planner a few years back and then heard through the grapevine about the studies Richard posted above.
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...studies that I did not visit, but will when I go home maybe...
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Being physically at work for many hours does not equate working for that many hours.
Watched code never compiles.
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Quite! I mean look at all of us, all we're doing is pissing about on here 
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True, but I am at home doing it.
"WPF has many lovers. It's a veritable porn star!" - Josh Smith As Braveheart once said, "You can take our freedom but you'll never take our Hobnobs!" - Martin Hughes.
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That is exactly what 'working' means if you work in an office.
Productivity is the measure of how much work is being generated while 'at work'.
I work from home, so I tally my work hours a little differently. If I sit at the screen staring for no apparent reason, I get up and do something else and I don't count those hours as 'working'. Those in an office environment usually don't have that luxury, so the mental downtime still counts as work.
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Being physically at work less hours doesn't mean, either.
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if you want to move the discussion away from numbers and into our own little slices of perception in our minds...consider this...
I assume that you are assuming a general disconnect between quality of employee and promotions and believe it is due to a 'social injustice' (that can't be proven). Then, I could say that I think that long work hours, regardless of their value, tend to create the impression of a good employee, leading them to get a promotion--even while they maybe worth -$ to their business.
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..and efficiency drops anyway when working late hours.
But I won't support without proof the idea that women can finish the smae amount of work in less time because they are women.
because that would be sexist, you know.
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Can't speak to the salary issue, as I've never been on the management side, but dunno about the rest...
I haven't worked with many female techies... I can recall two programmers (One talented, one waste of oxygen), and I think two or three in QA (Not sure of their skill level).
Back in college (University, for you non-USians), I don't remember seeing more than three or four women in all of my Computer Science classes combined... At least when I went to college (Right around 2000), very few women were going to school to learn how to program, and the few I knew really weren't very skilled. Obviously this isn't definitive proof of anything, as quite a lot of good developers are self-educated.
Honestly, I wish we had more (talented) female developers, and not for the reasons you think... Men and women tend to think about problems (And everything else) differently, so it would be good to get some new perspectives on things. While it's good to be on the "same wavelength" as your team members, it also usually means you're all attacking the problem from the same side, and possibly missing a much better solution.
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Ian Shlasko wrote: Back in college (University, for you non-USians), I don't remember seeing more than three or four women in all of my Computer Science classes combined.
When I was at University (college for the colonials) there were only three or four women in the 250 strong first year. By the end of the fourth, there were still three or four women - but now in a fifty strong final year... Three of these came out with firsts.
Sometimes, it's the quality, not the width that matters!
You should never use standby on an elephant. It always crashes when you lift the ears. - Mark Wallace
C/C++ (I dont see a huge difference between them, and the 'benefits' of C++ are questionable, who needs inheritance when you have copy and paste) - fat_boy
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OriginalGriff wrote: Sometimes, it's the quality, not the width that matters!
HEY! Keep it KSS.
If I have accidentally said something witty, smart, or correct, it is purely by mistake and I apologize for it.
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I thought he was referring to programming fonts. You must have your head in the gutter... 
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Jim Crafton wrote: You must have your head in the gutter...
That high up?
Nah.
If I have accidentally said something witty, smart, or correct, it is purely by mistake and I apologize for it.
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Ive worked with a few programmers in my time...
1 Excellent COuld not Fault.
2 Amazed that they managed to get out of the Primeval Soup.
3 Trainee with future potential
But only with one Female Developer and she was damn good at her job.
Its odd as there was no shortage of Female Computing Students at my University.. So where have they gone to?
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Ian Shlasko wrote: Honestly, I wish we had more (talented) female developers, and not for the reasons you think... Men and women tend to think about problems (And everything else) differently, so it would be good to get some new perspectives on things. While it's good to be on the "same wavelength" as your team members, it also usually means you're all attacking the problem from the same side, and possibly missing a much better solution.
Definitely agreed. This could also be applied to a lot of other areas, including the reverse in more female-dominated areas. Unfortunately, it seems (from my limited experience) that the minority gender often has a harder time influencing things because it goes against the dominant way of thinking.
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I have. The wife was a teacher and in Australia schools are very female dominated.
At the schools my wife has been to, male teachers get denigrated and ignored on a regular basis. I hope its not the case everywhere, but since everyone else is talking in generalisations, I summarise it like this:
People suck.
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"To summarize the summary of the summary, people are a problem." -- Douglas Adams
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Ian Shlasko wrote: Honestly, I wish we had more (talented) female developers, and not for the reasons you think
I think Chris has hired most of them.
"WPF has many lovers. It's a veritable porn star!" - Josh Smith As Braveheart once said, "You can take our freedom but you'll never take our Hobnobs!" - Martin Hughes.
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...Men and women tend to think about problems (And everything else) differently, so...
In my experience this does not help with solving problems. It creates them.
A while ago he asked me what he should have printed on my business cards. I said 'Wizard'.
I read books which nobody else understand. Then I do something which nobody understands. After that the computer does something which nobody understands. When asked, I say things about the results which nobody understand. But everybody expects miracles from me on a regular basis. Looks to me like the classical definition of a wizard.
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