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"A little time, a little trouble, your better day"
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#Worldle #428 1/6 (100%)
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"A little time, a little trouble, your better day"
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"A little time, a little trouble, your better day"
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On a whim, this weekend I started re-reading "The Mythical Man-Month". I had forgotten what a delightful book it is:
Quote:
Why is programming fun? What delights may its practitioner expect as his reward?
First is the sheer joy of making things. As the child delights in his mud pie, so the adult enjoys building things, especially things of his own design...
Second is the pleasure of making things that are useful to other people. Deep within, we want others to use our work and to find it helpful...
Third is the fascination of fashioning complex puzzle-like objects of interlocking moving parts and watching them work in subtle cycles, playing out the consequences of principles built in from the beginning...
Fourth is the joy of always learning, which springs from the nonrepeating nature of the task...
Finally, there is the delight of working in such a tractable medium. The programmer, like the poet, works only slightly removed from pure thought-stuff... Some of the stuff seems even more germane these days than it was when it was written:
Quote: The purpose of a programming system is to make a computer easy to use. To do this, it furnishes languages and various facilities that are in fact programs invoked and controlled by language features. But these facilities are bought at a price: the external description of a programming system is ten to twenty times as large as the external description of the computer system itself. The user finds it far easier to specify any particular function, but there are far more to choose from, and far more options and formats to remember.
Ease of use is enhanced only if the time gained in functional specification exceeds the time lost in learning, remembering, and searching manuals. With modern programming systems this gain does exceed the cost, but in recent years the ratio of gain to cost seems to have fallen Feel like trying new frameworks anyone?
Mircea
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Mircea Neacsu wrote: Feel like trying new frameworks anyone?
Only because .net has so much backward support for v1 :grrrrrr: .
We need a replacement for .net and C#. It's been twenty years now.
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I loved IBM Thinkpads. It's as if they sat me down, interviewed me for two hours, and then built a laptop based on their findings.
The little eraserhead pointer that everyone hates I wish I had on all my keyboards. I can use the mouse without taking my hands of the home row and my wrist isn't clicking an annoying trackpad all the time.
But it's more than that. They had the build quality, top tier LCD tech at the time, great bleeding edge hardware (first laptop with a mobile Pentium III for example), and stellar support. I had video hardware on one go tits up and IBM sent a tech to my workplace the next day who replaced my lappy's mainboard. I lost maybe 5 hours of productivity to my primary dev machine going out. That's not bad, actually.
The only real achilles heel they had were the HDDs - the "IBM DeskDeathStar" drives. Most were good, but they had a run of them that were just junk - but it was a misstep from a company that was usually pretty reliable about quality. The situation stood out for being the exception to the rule.
Then they sold everything to Lenovo. I haven't touched Lenovo machines. How's the build quality?
Are there laptops that have supplanted the thinkpad's former niche at the high end**?
Especially with those little pointing nubs. Love them.
** non-gaming
To err is human. Fortune favors the monsters.
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I'm completely fan of hp elitebook.
Unfortunately for you, no little pointing nubs 
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I won't buy HP. Too many bad experiences.
To err is human. Fortune favors the monsters.
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They're OK, but I'll stick with Dell and Microsoft Surface laptops.
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Hmmm. I've had dell laptops before. I wasn't super impressed. It felt like driving a toyota. Standard trackpad, standard screen, standard keyboard. Stock upper mid shelf CPU.
Nothing to really hate about them (except the trackpad), but nothing I loved either.
I'm looking for something... sportier? I want to fall in love with it.
To err is human. Fortune favors the monsters.
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Dell is better than Lenovo, my experience...
diligent hands rule....
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I just got done telling someone else my experience with Dell laptops was totally middle of the road.
I compared it to driving a toyota. Reliable, but reliably boring. I don't know exactly what I'm looking for in a laptop, but I'll know it when i see it. I'm being difficult, I know.
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please share with us what you finally get ...
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I will. It might be awhile. I like to start looking and doing research well ahead of when I buy so I'm all caught up on the latest stuff when I'm ready. I'm also not in a huge hurry, since I don't have a pressing need for it. It would just be nice.
To err is human. Fortune favors the monsters.
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I've been an Asus Zenbook fan for years. The oldest one I still have went on countless boats, cranes and excavators, accompanied an 11 years old to school for 6 months (that was rough!) and is still kicking. Now it's enjoying its retirement talking only occasionally to a 3D printer and doing light duties around the house.
The latest one is still a respectable 3 years old but still very snappy and stylish. Love it to bits (and bytes).
Mircea
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Yeah, I'd consider ASUS if build quality was all I was looking for. My biggest stumbling block is trackpads. I can't bear them and would much prefer a laptop that didn't have one that I'd just disable anyway.
Anyway, I'll take a look at them.
To err is human. Fortune favors the monsters.
modified 12hrs ago.
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Thanks for making me look at ASUS again.
Asus ProArt Studio Book[^]
OLED 16" - Nice!
12th gen core i7 mobile
Onboard graphics that don't totally suck.
Shame about the trackpad, but that's the only thing I don't like so far, and expect I'm probably going to wind up having to settle for disabling it on whatever i end up getting.
Thanks again!
To err is human. Fortune favors the monsters.
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honey the codewitch wrote: Shame about the trackpad,
Sometimes one has to go with the times. Many moons ago I had laptops that had a trackball instead of a trackpad. I used to love them: accurate, small no accidental movement. I might have been the only one or they were not economical to build because they disappeared and I had to learn to live with the trackpads. Well, times, they are 'achanging.
honey the codewitch wrote: Thanks for making me look at ASUS again
One is glad to be of service
Mircea
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https://psrefstuff.lenovo.com/syspool/Sys/i_pdf/ThinkPad.pdf
u can download the spec sheet , if you are looking for a high end workstation you can go for P series , on the move x series or t series...... they are still the goat or beef... then there is the dell precision
hp you need to really compare with the rest....
Caveat Emptor.
"Progress doesn't come from early risers – progress is made by lazy men looking for easier ways to do things." Lazarus Long
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I had a precision. Didn't love it. My only issue with spending this kind of money on a Lenovo is I don't know what I'm getting. For example, I've bought ASUS products for years. I've had one bad product - a poorly designed netbook from them, but their build quality (even on that device) has always been at least respectable.
Lenovo is kind of an unknown quantity for me, and the spec sheet won't tell me if they use good (japanese maybe) capacitors in their boards for example. Not that I'm looking for that kind of detail. More I'm looking for people's organic experiences with them. Did they hold up? Did the hinges wear out? Was their anything about them you hated? That sort of thing. Spec sheets are kind of short on that information.
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well they don't charge money simply ... u get what you pay for ...also they have a three year warranty etc for dell i think you may have to check ..in case of issues there is solutions... you can check youtube they have reviews and teardowns and how to upgrade etc....... asus you can go for the gaming rouge series or so which may match the menioned.................. hinges etc dont wear out if you dont close and open etc..too much... mobileworkstation are u just put it on the desk connect to monitors and forget it......
Caveat Emptor.
"Progress doesn't come from early risers – progress is made by lazy men looking for easier ways to do things." Lazarus Long
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