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In Norwegian, if you say that something is "really python", it means that it is really disgusting. It started out as relating to food only, "This tastes like python", but it grew into a general term of disgust that can be applied to anything. Including programming languages.
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I'm reminded of the Spam sketch...
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I'm surprised they didn't name it after the character, Indiana Jones, rather than the actor.
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I was just driving out to collect something 40 miles away, and going over the Black Mountain there is a lay-by on the left. Walking away from a car was a lady dragging a reluctant young girl (maybe 10, maybe 12 years old?) and a violin.
I'm just guessing daughter really needs to practice but currently her music sounds like a cat being tortured ... 
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OriginalGriff wrote: but currently her music sounds like a cat being tortured
Reminds me of having to sit through my children's annual school recitals. Very painful. I clap and smile, but secretly I am in horrific pain from it all.
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Slacker007 wrote: annual school recitals
Oi, they indeed were brutal! Apparently, they've changed the way things are taught since my day, no more instrument tuning, or tapping one's foot to keep time, a true cacophony.
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Yeah but if you and they can stick it out to - in America we call it High School - the music gets much MUCH better. My kids were playing real music in High School, serious 20 minute pieces. The marching band program at their high school ALWAYS used classical music Sibelius, Tchaikovsky, Stravinsky, etc.
Heck, even the difference from 6th (where school band or orchestra starts in Georgia USA) to 8th grade is amazing.
band - wind and percussion
orchestra - stringed
Some high schools will do a full orchestra but not all of them.
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MarkTJohnson wrote: Yeah but if you and they can stick it out to - in America we call it High School - the music gets much MUCH better.
Very true! 
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my middle girl became a concert flutist for awhile. She is one of those incredibly talented people who can pick up any instrument and play it at a very high level in about a day.
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I was like that with the guitar
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I am the opposite of that on the guitar! In my own defense, I started in my mid fifties.
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rnbergren wrote: can pick up any instrument
Can even pick up a piano? 
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There was this lady who met the priest in the village, and the priest addressed her:
- I haven't seen you in church for some time now. Is there a reason for that?
- Well, my daughter has started playing the harp, you see.
- Can that harp be as great as our wonderful church organ?
- Certainly not, but I have started considering it: I just don't think I could take harp playing for an eternity.
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i once had a neighbor who precisely let's say every Wednesday evening 7:00 pm would open his garage door and for the next hour would loudly play the drums . unfortunately he could not play the drums .
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Hi All,
In my constant struggles called a job I have to design a test rig for a project. In it is an Embedded Section which I have an issue (dang serial port not sending quite the right characters), I go to the Arduino website to ask a question, I can't log in with any of my accounts, I choose the 'Help, I have forgotten my Password' enter my email and wait I have been waiting since yesterday. Give it a kick while checking Spam, nothing contact the help desk via Email, nothing. I was against using Arduino as it's too hobbyist (I use them for controlling Christmas Lights!). Has anyone else used Arduino for Real applications?
Glenn
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If you're seeing garbage, changes are you have the wrong baud rate, bits, parity, &/or stop bit. The last 3 are usually 8 bits, no parity, 1 stop bit (8N1).
Graeme
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Thanks for that, but I think I may be onto the issue, Voltage levels not correct. If I use the serial port connected via the USB I get the correct output. Using one which is present on the chip (also broken out on the headers) It does not have the correct levels. Using a scope I can see the voltage is around 500mV when I send something... MAX232 to the rescue?
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If it’s a proper RS232 port, your Tx line should have a negative voltage while not sending. If it’s one of those TTL serial ports you would see 3.3 (or 5V) while not sending.
Mircea
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Thanks, that was the issue need a dang buffer! Now a seperate issue, finding 5V available on the board!
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And you would be most likely right.
It's bitten me before, not just on Arduino, but other MCU's too.
The uarts on all of them, output at the supply voltage 99% of the time, so a 5V Arduino, is gonna signal at 5v on it's UART lines, you can use a MAX232 that will certainly solve your issue and push the signals into the 12v range which is where they need to be for traditional serial connections... BUT, you need to remember that in some cases it's not just the voltage level but the offset too.
I've encountered serial systems that run from -6v to +6v with 0 meaning NO DATA on the line, your MCU signals irrespective of voltage are mostly going to be 0v to VCC.
What I often do is use one of those voltage bridge things (Forget the exact name), something similar to this:
RUNCCI-YUN 15pcs 4 Channels IIC I2C Logic Level Converter Bi-Directional Module 3.3V to 5V Shifter for Arduino (Pack of 15) : Amazon.co.uk: Business, Industry & Science
You can get ones where you can actually set the low side and high side voltages yourself, while everything still shares a common ground.
What you then do is you set the low side to your MCU voltage range, and your high side using a separate power supply to your serial line voltage range (accounting for the correct offset).
The problem with the MAX232 is that there are so many fakes around it's stupid hard to know if you have a genuine one, it's exactly the same problem with the FTDI & Prolific chips too, if your going that route you have to absolutely make 100% sure that your supplier is NOT sourcing Chinese stock.
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Thanks, I am well aware of the fakes, I have had experience of some Lattice X64 chips, which were got by a customer despite them being out of stock (this was for a use that 'questions were asked' by the end user!) it seemed they were mostly 'OK' a few lacked the top 32MB, hence the questions 'where did these come from?', responce, 'dear ![Green Alien | [Alien]](https://codeproject.global.ssl.fastly.net/script/Forums/Images/alien.gif) pull the product now!'...
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Yep, and very often, sadly they can be quite hard to spot until it's too late.
I've been bitten so much over the years, that I now try to source direct from the manufacturers, even if it does cost more.
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Try these people, they are very helpful and responsive.
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On an ESP32, the Arduino HAL is superior in some ways to that of the ESP-IDF. If you are using an ESP32 in your professional projects, it makes sense to seriously consider Arduino, but you have to be careful because a lot of the libraries and such are hobbyist implemented.
I wouldn't even recommend using an ESP32 in your projects, and since then my outfit has moved away from them in favor of more professional offerings.
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Now I have so many questions:
- How is Arduino HAL superior? Is it just coverage for more devices, better implementation of specific devices, or something more architectural, or ESP-32 specific?
- What led you to divert from ESP32? What would you consider to be "more professional"?
I've invested a lot of time learning ESP32-IDF, but if there's something better I'd like to know about it. The fact that they're cheap is a big one for me. Sure I'm just doing hobby IoT stuff, but I've got well over three decades of software development experience under my belt and I've got some attitude about how I'm willing to go about things.
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