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Re: CCC 2023-07-14

DerekT-P14-Jul-23 5:58

14-Jul-23 5:58

The "oh" immediately sprang out to me as one of dawning realisation of the magnitude of a problem, and I was immediately transported back to my first month as a junior programmer at London Transport.

With an IBM S/360 mainframe, JCL statements for batch execution referred to a filename, and a "disposition" - what to do with the file. Executables were held in a "library" file and you referred to the member of a library by using brackets:

//EXECLIB DD VOL=SER=(308),DSN=LT.PROD.EXECLIB(MYPROG),DISP=(OLD,KEEP)

(Or something like that; a VERY long time ago)
I'd learnt that you could delete files using a little utility from IBM, IEFBR14 (BR14 was ASM code for return immediately) that wouldn't do anything, but you could use to reference files and have the op.system action the disposition on the files. Having built a little test program I had no further use for, I dutifully tidied up with:

//STEP01 EXEC PGM=IEFBR14
//DELTHIS DD VOL=SER=(308),DSN=LT.PROD.EXECLIB(MYPROG),DISP=(OLD,DELETE)

and punched it up, sent it down to the ops room.

The rest of the day everyone seemed in a really bad mood and/or really busy, so I just kept my head down out of the way.
By late afternoon things were calming down and at the coffee place I heard one of the senior ops saying that some [insert grawlix here] had used IEFBR14 to delete the executable library. A little voice inside my head went "oh". Then "OH [grawlix]". Then "OH [grawlix] [grawlix] [grawlix]".

In my defence, no-one had explained that you couldn't do that to delete a MEMBER of a library... Big Grin | :-D

[Edited to correct JCL syntax, if not complete]

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modified 14-Jul-23 12:24pm.

Re: CCC 2023-07-14

pkfox14-Jul-23 8:52

pkfox

14-Jul-23 8:52

I remember those days Derek

In a closed society where everybody's guilty, the only crime is getting caught. In a world of thieves, the only final sin is stupidity. - Hunter S Thompson - RIP

Found on Internet

honey the codewitch13-Jul-23 21:58

honey the codewitch

13-Jul-23 21:58

"Conspiracy theories are a genre of science fiction in which most organizations are secretly run by competent people pursuing definite goals."

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Re: Found on Internet

Sander Rossel13-Jul-23 23:17

Sander Rossel

13-Jul-23 23:17

That's the main reason I don't believe in conspiracy theories, I simply don't think people are competent enough to plan and execute them.

Of course our lizard overlords aren't human and may well possess the skills and intelligence necessary Big Grin | :-D

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Re: Found on Internet

PIEBALDconsult14-Jul-23 4:10

PIEBALDconsult

14-Jul-23 4:10

But still...

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Re: Found on Internet

Richard Andrew x6414-Jul-23 6:13

Richard Andrew x64

14-Jul-23 6:13

Do you believe in organized crime? Roll eyes | :rolleyes:

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Re: Found on Internet

Sander Rossel15-Jul-23 0:24

Sander Rossel

15-Jul-23 0:24

I believe in organizations, I just don't believe they're capable of whatever conspiracy theories people come up with, like new world orders, alien technology, the matrix, illum [last seen online: five years ago]

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Re: Found on Internet

Richard Andrew x6415-Jul-23 0:35

Richard Andrew x64

15-Jul-23 0:35

I thank you for your response.

There's a fine line between the two things you mentioned. Some "conspiracies" are right out in the open. For instance, the World Economic Forum is an organization that's working for a cashless society, so that governments can control what you spend your money on. I'd call that a new world order.

EDIT: I won't be pursuing this thread, because it deals with politics.

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Re: Found on Internet

Sander Rossel15-Jul-23 1:36

Sander Rossel

15-Jul-23 1:36

I don't have all the info, but here's my take on things.

We already have a largely cashless society.
A lot of people I know, myself included, don't carry cash anymore.
That means all transactions are stored and can be followed, analyzed, etc. by banks and, by extension, by governments.
I'm not sure if that's a goal or a byproduct, but that's how it is.
That's not a conspiracy, but a service we chose (I also know people who are going back to cash for exactly this reason).
Fact of the matter, most people, especially younger generations, prefer to pay by card or even phone (and let Google or Apple in on it too!).

The World Economic Forum acknowledges this fact and says banks, privately owned organizations, should not be able to have such data.
In the Netherlands, for example, banks are tasked with fraud prevention, because banks know what kind of money you have, when and where you get it from and how you spend it.
They'll ask you all kinds of private stuff you may not want to share.
Now we have three options:
1. Give all that info to a privately owned organization who passes it on to your government.
2. Give all that info to your government directly.
3. Don't do fraud prevention and accept people will commit fraud and get away with it.

We used to have 3, we moved to 1, the WEF wants to move to 2.
Basically "cut out the middle man."

Whether you trust your government with your financial data is another matter, but at least the government, in most Western countries, is run by elected officials who, theoretically, serve the people whereas banks only serve their investors.
All in all, it doesn't sound like a new world order or evil to me, much less a conspiracy theory (especially since they're quite open about it).

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Re: Found on Internet

Richard Andrew x6415-Jul-23 1:41

Richard Andrew x64

15-Jul-23 1:41

Thanks for entertaining my posts in a civil manner. Have a great day! Thumbs Up | :thumbsup:

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Re: Found on Internet

yacCarsten13-Jul-23 23:28

yacCarsten

13-Jul-23 23:28

Good one.

That goes on my "things that make you go hmmm" list

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Re: Found on Internet

Gary Wheeler14-Jul-23 6:07

Gary Wheeler

14-Jul-23 6:07

Would it be too meta to ask who told?

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Article date issue

Master DJon13-Jul-23 18:52

Master DJon

13-Jul-23 18:52

I wrote an article few days ago and, going through the site, I saw the latest articles section. I was curious and I looked at the the article before mine to compare the number of views (just for fun). After verification, this article has only been formatted a bit, no new information and due to this change the "article date" is the last modification date. There is a 6 years difference. I think this is misleading on when the information has been updated.

I don't know if there such a date in your database, but if so, maybe those kind of modifications shouldn't update this date.

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What do you think?

P.S. This article is great and I have no cons against it. This date issue may apply for other articles.

Re: Article date issue

OriginalGriff13-Jul-23 18:54

OriginalGriff

13-Jul-23 18:54

It makes sense to me that it's "Last mod date" order rather than "Create date", but each to their own ... this is the wrong place to post this - you should talk to the site admins via this forum: Bugs and Suggestions[^]

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Re: Article date issue

Master DJon13-Jul-23 18:57

Master DJon

13-Jul-23 18:57

Yes! I saw the other forum afterward, but I didn't have access to my question.

modified 14-Jul-23 1:03am.

Re: Article date issue

OriginalGriff13-Jul-23 19:09

OriginalGriff

13-Jul-23 19:09

No problem - you have been noticed by the automated spam / abuse detection system is all. It'll release you from posting purgatory when it's happy you aren't a spammer. That doesn't normally take too long so just be patient and your messages will appear when a human has reviewed them.

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Shane010313-Jul-23 18:11

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13-Jul-23 18:11

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Re: Wordle 755

OriginalGriff13-Jul-23 19:13

OriginalGriff

13-Jul-23 19:13

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Re: Wordle 755

Amarnath S13-Jul-23 20:27

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13-Jul-23 20:27

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Re: Wordle 755 - 3 4 me

pkfox13-Jul-23 20:57

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13-Jul-23 20:57

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Re: Wordle 755

Sander Rossel13-Jul-23 21:30

Sander Rossel

13-Jul-23 21:30