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But if cloud platforms are so secure out-of-the-box, how companies selling products to secure it make billions of dollars?
Are we paranoid (and being used) or someone lying here?
"The only place where Success comes before Work is in the dictionary." Vidal Sassoon, 1928 - 2012
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Kornfeld Eliyahu Peter wrote: if cloud platforms are so secure out-of-the-box,
Hmmm ... remember the "Apple celebrity nudes" photo hack? 
"I have no idea what I did, but I'm taking full credit for it." - ThisOldTony
"Common sense is so rare these days, it should be classified as a super power" - Random T-shirt
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Is someone lying here? Yes, both sides are lying. The cloud platforms aren't as secure as they'd like you to believe, and the companies selling products to secure it aren't securing it as much as they claim either.
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Unfortunately, companies can't think of all the ways its software can be hacked. It must rely on the users and other nefarious players to find new ways to hack their software.
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In defense of these companies...
Security is an ongoing endeavor. It is never one and done because people keep coming up with new ways to exploit things, and as long as technology progresses this will always be a thing.
Ergo, in order for something to be secure, it takes ongoing effort.
These seemingly ancillary companies do some of that work. They are part of the process of reification of the economic pressure for cloud security.
And as long as that economic pressure exists, you can expect as much attention will be paid to security efforts in turn.
In short, the existence of said companies is a good thing.
That having been said, *nothing* is ever as secure as the marketers, advertisers and corporate officers would like you to believe.
Real programmers use butterflies
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I'm in favor of security. We use all MS has to offer on Azure (and pay for it)... And than comes in a company to tell that all is BS and list a book of propositions have very vague connection to security, just to prove the prize and spread fear... But at the end of the day they can't take a bit of information out of our DB (even they collected a lot of useless info on the environment and make a lot of wrong assumptions about the development base).
"The only place where Success comes before Work is in the dictionary." Vidal Sassoon, 1928 - 2012
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Oh that is cruel, making a sales person prove a selling point. Bloody lousy sales person if they can't find a selling point that cannot be tested.
Never underestimate the power of human stupidity -
RAH
I'm old. I know stuff - JSOP
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Well said!
An investment analysis and advisory service I use has been continuously online for 30 years, but I think someone got a little lax. Friday, 12/17, the system went down due to a ransomware attack. It just came back online about 10:00 this morning. I'm betting there will be a few changes in the IT department!
Will Rogers never met me.
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Similarly, no software is 100% bug free.
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I was at the supermarket an hour ago, and the cashier didn't know the code to unlock the cash-register. So she called a coworker who shouted the passcode from the other side of the store. So, I had to place a remark there on security, at which she claimed the code is changed daily. Yah, that explains why the coworker knows 8 numbers from the top of his head. Probably learning them each morning by heart in case he needs to shout it ad hoc.
I don't trust anyone.
Bastard Programmer from Hell 
"If you just follow the bacon Eddy, wherever it leads you, then you won't have to think about politics." -- Some Bell.
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I think you have to use cloud platforms, they are platforms and its up to you to secure your code and data on these platforms. Companies selling products to add security to cloud platforms save you the work as they would be a kind of framework you adapt to secure your code or encapsulate your work in their security. You need to do your due diligence at a technical level before you adopt a cloud platform and also how you will adapt security to it.
Caveat Emptor.
"Progress doesn't come from early risers – progress is made by lazy men looking for easier ways to do things." Lazarus Long
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Kornfeld Eliyahu Peter wrote: But if cloud platforms are so secure out-of-the-box,...
Welcome to the business of marketing.
Kornfeld Eliyahu Peter wrote: or someone lying here
Not like that is even close to the worst examples of that.
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Youtube got confused by my work account (why suddenly.. I know not... though I did change my password, because I forgot the previous one, seems to have played a role) anyway.. Youtube was suddenly full of stupid useless stuff... And new music, this one was good! 
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Super Lloyd wrote: Youtube was suddenly full of stupid useless stuff
What do you mean, "suddenly"? 
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Oh, don't be such a curmudgeon, the algorithm gets me, and I am pretty happy with my video feed.
But the default feed was... sigh... such a huge let down...
modified 28-Dec-21 9:36am.
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"Suddenly" is not a word I would use to describe YouTube's decline...
".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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When you pry the gun from my cold dead hands, be careful - the barrel will be very hot. - JSOP, 2013
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How childish, if you can't post sensible posts don't post anything.
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FYI, I am a 16 meme-loving Halo-playing nerd who eventually will be programming the future Halo Games, so don't even judge me.
Really I just wanted to share the link so you can post it to your friends. Doesn't even look like one in the title. So your welcome to the reasonable people who will want to read this as a link to use instead of a "childish" trick...
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Great song, back when Gillan could SCREAM!
"the debugger doesn't tell me anything because this code compiles just fine" - random QA comment
"Facebook is where you tell lies to your friends. Twitter is where you tell the truth to strangers." - chriselst
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Somehow I doubt you will be programming Halo games if the only original thought you have to contribute to this forum is a outdated trick that was childish and adolescent when it was first devised nearly 15 years ago.
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