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In 2008 or something, Microsoft had some "Enterprise Block" demo or some other codename, for a MEF driven IoC/DI thing for desktop app.
I never saw more confusing app. We used the pattern a bit and we got lost and confused in our own small codebase all the time.
IoC has continued but has become less confusing I reckon. At my previous work (WebDev) we had simple IoC (MS unity container) with constructor injection (typical .NET Core / MVC stuff). And even my own home made projects, as someone who unapologetically despise IoC/DI, has little bit of it (with my own container thingy, anyway).
I can't quite put the finger on it, but IoC/DI as it is used today seems simpler to understand than how it was in those 2008 earlier iterations I think....
To come to my point, the app I am working on at work remind me of those earlier 2008 IoC samples... It's so bloody confusing all the time. I can't quite put my finger on it though. It all seem reasonable in isolation...
Not sure what's my point here. What's your thinking on the evolution of IoC/DI in the last 15 years perhaps?
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This month is my 40th anniversary developing frameworks--the term didn't even exist back then--so IoC happens naturally. But there's already enough boilerplate without this DI rubbish.  I suppose I'd use it if the value was obvious in some situation, but so far I haven't felt compelled--or maybe have done it without realizing! I don't ascribe much value to unit tests, greatly preferring integration and regression tests, so DI does nothing for me on that front. Frameworks have to be tested using serious applications; anything less just scratches the surface and proves little.
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DI/IOCs[^]
IOC and DI are completely foreign to me. I guess I am too old school. If I interpret these concepts its seems that the libraries are directing the program flow. Sort of like DLL's on steroids. I guess I need to do some more reading. Any suggestions for a newbie to these concepts.
"A little time, a little trouble, your better day"
Badfinger
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A framework is very different from a library. A library has lots of things that can generally be used on their own, like the C++ STL. A framework is a sketch for how to implement an application. Developers then plug in the pieces that contain the application logic, which the framework glues together. A library will be useful to a broader range of applications, whereas a framework is usually intended for a particular domain.
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Got it. I need to better understand frameworks. Thanx so much.
"A little time, a little trouble, your better day"
Badfinger
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A library is something you can use.
A framework is something that uses you! 
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Haha. Wag the dog.
"A little time, a little trouble, your better day"
Badfinger
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I'm leaving within the hour for a weeklong trip to Marathon, FL for a much needed vacation. Of course the laptop is going with me just in case something needs fixing. Hopefully I won't have to use it too much! 
So long suckers!
"Go forth into the source" - Neal Morse
"Hope is contagious"
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kmoorevs wrote: Of course the laptop is going with me just in case something needs fixing
That's not a vacation.
Leave it at home. Disable all work related devices (and/or work related notifications)
CI/CD = Continuous Impediment/Continuous Despair
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Enjoy - and take the battery out and leave it at home ... 
"I have no idea what I did, but I'm taking full credit for it." - ThisOldTony
"Common sense is so rare these days, it should be classified as a super power" - Random T-shirt
AntiTwitter: @DalekDave is now a follower!
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If you have MS Teams on your phone just remember to disable it so you don't get notifications over both mobile data & Wi-Fi
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Dear Boss,
I'm leaving for Florida on <day> for a vacation and I will be gone for <days>.
I'm leaving all digital devices at home and cannot be reached for <days>.
This is my vacation, I have earned it and I plan on enjoying it by unplugging.
Thanks for your understanding, or not!
Your loyal employee
The most expensive tool is a cheap tool. Gareth Branwyn
JaxCoder.com
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I turned last weekend from a 3-day weekend into a 4-day one by taking Friday off as a holiday. It's been years I've done that.
I was rewarded with tornadoes and a power failure that lasted for nearly 48 hours. I'm not sure whether I've jinxed myself, but this would be in line with my typical luck.
OTOH...I'm trying very hard to tell myself I'm lucky I haven't suffered any actual damage, other than one dead PC that (I'm guessing) didn't like the brownouts, even though it was sitting behind a UPS...
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If you’re gone for a week and it all falls apart - ask for a big raise!!
If you can't laugh at yourself - ask me and I will do it for you.
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Unless it fell apart because of your code. 
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But when I got home I realized I picked 7 up.
I'll let myself out.
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This left me a sour taste.
GCS/GE d--(d) s-/+ a C+++ U+++ P-- L+@ E-- W+++ N+ o+ K- w+++ O? M-- V? PS+ PE Y+ PGP t+ 5? X R+++ tv-- b+(+++) DI+++ D++ G e++ h--- r+++ y+++* Weapons extension: ma- k++ F+2 X
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Sickly sweet for me. 
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Agreed! that's why one must always have a good supply of Tito's vodka on hand, you have to offset that sweetness somehow.
"the debugger doesn't tell me anything because this code compiles just fine" - random QA comment
"Facebook is where you tell lies to your friends. Twitter is where you tell the truth to strangers." - chriselst
"I don't drink any more... then again, I don't drink any less." - Mike Mullikins uncle
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I've heard that apparently italian Sprite is that much sourer than European and US Sprite. We also had a small production of sugar-free Sprite that I loved, but it was too sour and bitter even for Italian taste (it was much closer to Schweppes than to standard Sprite).
GCS/GE d--(d) s-/+ a C+++ U+++ P-- L+@ E-- W+++ N+ o+ K- w+++ O? M-- V? PS+ PE Y+ PGP t+ 5? X R+++ tv-- b+(+++) DI+++ D++ G e++ h--- r+++ y+++* Weapons extension: ma- k++ F+2 X
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Again, I'm thinking Tito's to the rescue!
You want bitter, consider this stuff Jeppson's Malört[^] a local (Chicago) specialty.
"the debugger doesn't tell me anything because this code compiles just fine" - random QA comment
"Facebook is where you tell lies to your friends. Twitter is where you tell the truth to strangers." - chriselst
"I don't drink any more... then again, I don't drink any less." - Mike Mullikins uncle
modified 10hrs 20mins ago.
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