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charlieg20-Oct-21 13:33

20-Oct-21 13:33

HE DID. Look up expunged in a dictionary. If you're still unsure, talk to an attorney.

That said, I really don't think you need to worry about anything. Arrests are not reported. Convictions are.

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Throwaway888xxxx20-Oct-21 13:59

20-Oct-21 13:59

charlieg wrote:
Arrests are not reported. Convictions are.

And what makes you say that?

#realJSOP21-Oct-21 0:13

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21-Oct-21 0:13

Because convictions are what's recorded, not a simple arrest.

Maybe you don't have the smarts to be a developer if you're asking this kind of question without using google first.

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charlieg21-Oct-21 9:37

21-Oct-21 9:37

We've made a bad assumption John. He might not be in the US.

Throw - where doth thou live?

In the US, getting arrested is an inconvenience. It means law enforcement (and I use that in the formal constitutional sense of the word) has deemed your behavior criminal. At that point it is up to the court and a jury of your peers to determine if you are guilty. If it does not go to trial or you are acquitted, there is nothing on your record.

Note: in the US, any employer who would decline employment based on alleged actions is ripe for being sued.

Eddy Vluggen20-Oct-21 14:11

20-Oct-21 14:11

Throwaway888xxxx wrote:
the issue is that I got arrested a few years ago

For what?

Throwaway888xxxx wrote:
I'm still skeptical on getting a decent job as a developer

You're not going to be a rockstar, few of us really are. If there's muck, there's brass.

Throwaway888xxxx wrote:
Are there any alternatives out there for me to get into when it comes to software devedloping?

I never had a real education.

Would you learn?

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Throwaway888xxxx20-Oct-21 14:15

20-Oct-21 14:15

Eddy Vluggen wrote:
You're not going to be a rockstar, few of us really are. If there's muck, there's brass.

so you're basically saying I can't be a developer? gotcha

Eddy Vluggen20-Oct-21 14:38

20-Oct-21 14:38

Dude, I never got an education. I am fighting morphine.

You can. It will be a decent income, but we never rockstars. Most of us aren't. We just work for money.

If you persistent, you will be a developer and I'd bloody tutor you.

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Nelek21-Oct-21 0:44

Nelek

21-Oct-21 0:44

Not really worth your time...
He already had a similar thread [^] back in February, ignored everything what was said, gave more the impression of a troll than anything and now is repeating the same...

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Eddy Vluggen21-Oct-21 1:45

21-Oct-21 1:45

Noted, thanks Smile | :)

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Nelek21-Oct-21 1:57

Nelek

21-Oct-21 1:57

You are welcome Smile | :)

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Richard MacCutchan20-Oct-21 22:27

Richard MacCutchan

20-Oct-21 22:27

Why don't you just apply for a few positions and see what feedback you get?

Throwaway888xxxx21-Oct-21 3:35

21-Oct-21 3:35

As I said before I've too many things from too many people over the years. And if you think for one second that an employer is not going to care about a misdemeanor arrest from 5/6+ years ago all because there was no conviction and it was expunged then you're fooling yourself.

Richard MacCutchan21-Oct-21 3:39

Richard MacCutchan

21-Oct-21 3:39

Throwaway888xxxx wrote:
if you think for one second that an employer is not going to care about a misdemeanor

So why are you wasting your time on lost cause?

Throwaway888xxxx21-Oct-21 3:51

21-Oct-21 3:51

Richard MacCutchan wrote:
So why are you wasting your time on lost cause?

so you basically confirming that I have no chance at all now right? You could've said that from the start.

Richard MacCutchan21-Oct-21 3:53

Richard MacCutchan

21-Oct-21 3:53

No, I am not saying that at all. It is you who is saying it. Your obsession with this arrest from years ago is the ony thing stopping you from even trying to get a job. So please don't point the finger at us.

Throwaway888xxxx21-Oct-21 4:02

21-Oct-21 4:02

I never said I was pointing a finger at someone, but why tell me I'm wasting my time on a lost cause then? It's the truth isn't it? What employer is going to care that I got an expunged arrest when in reality there gonna show me the door when they see I got arrested whether it was years ago or not?

Throwaway888xxxx21-Oct-21 17:45

21-Oct-21 17:45

btw I found out today from my current employer ( I work at a grocery store) that they indeed do background checks and they question you if something was to come up on said background check. Since I wasn't questioned about my arrest when they ran a background check on me I'm guessing nothing didn't showed up.

charlieg25-Oct-21 0:24

25-Oct-21 0:24

So the advice you were given was correct then - arrests do not show up. All background checks do is pull from aggregate data sources across the country. I'm assuming you are in the United States. If not, then tell us where you live.

If an American employer refused to hire someone who was arrested but never convicted, they would be subject to lawsuits. Hard to prove, but most large employers won't take the risk. It's a legal thing.

I think you are worried about nothing. Get some studies in and give it a go. If you can fog glass and look like a good candidate, it's just not going to be an issue.

Do you have any idea of how many people are working today with arrest records and misdemeanor convictions? About all of us. If you've been given 1 ticket - you were arrested - called a citation. Don't sign the ticket? Go downtown - most people (except for idiots on YouTube) sign the ticket.

Seriously, listen to what you are being told in good faith, and stop being paranoid or trolling the Lounge. Your pick.

Throwaway888xxxx25-Oct-21 7:07

25-Oct-21 7:07

well for starters i am in America. Secondly, is this suppose to change my thought process of getting anything better? Think again.

charlieg25-Oct-21 7:28

25-Oct-21 7:28

well then all my comments are dead on. Seriously, you weren't convicted, MOVE ON.

All of your comments are such that you're worried about what might happen. Has it already happened? Have you experienced this?

I'm not criticizing, trying to be an encouragement here. I've been a hiring manager before. I *know* I cannot ask those questions. If you came across to me as intelligent, willing to learn and not an a$$hole, I could work with that.

I'll give you an example. I had a young lady interviewing for a development job. One of the first things she brought up is if I or the corporation had anything against candidates with mental health issues. D'Oh! | :doh:

Answer: no way I can answer that, I'm not a mental health expert (that was in my head). My real answer, "It's not relevant to the job interview." fyi - 2nd worst hire ever. Real basket case.

Get over yourself, get off your ass and learn something, and go do exciting things.

Dave Kreskowiak21-Oct-21 3:56

Dave Kreskowiak

21-Oct-21 3:56

You have no chance not because of a meaningless arrest, but because of your attitude. Simple as that.

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Eddy Vluggen21-Oct-21 4:54

21-Oct-21 4:54

Throwaway888xxxx wrote:
misdemeanor

So you not even a real criminal. Some minor offense? Did you smoke weed in a public building or so?

Ever considered moving to Europe? We pay a lot less, but none care about petty offenses. You wont be a cashier at a bank due to status. All others care not, just about what you could do.

You need not even be good at your work, you just need to be very willing. All else will follow, but that sounds easier than it is.

"Where there is muck, there is brass."

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Throwaway888xxxx21-Oct-21 6:55

21-Oct-21 6:55

Whatever you say I guess

Eddy Vluggen21-Oct-21 10:48

21-Oct-21 10:48

I'm here.

And willing. Are you?

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Throwaway888xxxx22-Oct-21 19:44