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Kent Sharkey wrote: to use the tools we have to prevent disease.
But the vaccination does not prevent the disease in this case.
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No, but it is a big help if you manage to avoid hospital because the severity decreases a lot for the most people.
There always are exceptions, but the big % gets benefits from it.
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Hey, I'm not wearing seatbelts because they don't prevent accidents. Look at how smart I am!
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The OP claimed the vaccination prevents disease.
den2k88 wrote: I'm not wearing seatbelts because they don't prevent accidents.
Your analogy does not work because no one has ever claimed that seatbelts prevent accidents.
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No... it is just a tool to get less injured in case of an accident.
The same as vaccines lesser the severity / chances of getting ill for that disease.
You can have an accident / get ill anyways, but the results are statistically going to be less... what it doesn't mean that you might get the black peter and the worst accident / illness possible, no matter what you do against it.
Probability is a b1tch.
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Nelek wrote: if you manage to avoid hospital
There was an interesting study done recently and I don't recall the exact numbers, but it was something like 75% of people overestimate the likelihood of having to go to the hospital if they got covid. It's only a 5-7% chance you'll be hospitalized but most people think it is way higher.
Nelek wrote: but the big % gets benefits from it.
In this case I am not convinced. So many people that are vaccinated are still getting it and of course there is no way to prove that the vaccine prevented you from getting covid.
Also, there are lots of links to health problems caused by the vaccination.
In the beginning they likened this to the flu and unfortunately that's exactly how it's behaving, meaning the vaccine from 3 months ago may no longer be good.
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How many medicaments for a thing give problems in another thing?
And still many are happy to get the "collateral damages" because the primary reason for that medicament is way worse.
Again... probability / statistics.
There are some cases getting side effects (more or less severe), there are some cases getting ill although they are vaccinated, I know.
But the important thing are the big numbers, not the concrete cases.
And yes, I know it sucks if one is the concrete case.
Member 15329613 wrote: In the beginning they likened this to the flu and unfortunately that's exactly how it's behaving, meaning the vaccine from 3 months ago may no longer be good.
Maybe. I hope not, but it might be... we'll see.
Flu alike or not Flu alike, it will stay for a while... that's for sure.
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Cp-Coder was as near as I can tell merely making a reasonably logical deduction as to the motivation of those late comers in response to the many such reported deaths w/ no intention of scaring anyone As for being scared it seems a logical response to what may be a serious condition As for the media's intentions as near as I can tell they are merely reporting the facts "Recovery" may be 99% but we now know there are long term effects which as far as I know are yet to be well known so a "recovery" of 99% has little meaning Hospitals are overflowing with COVID patients Doctors and Nurses are exhausted and fed up We have to walk around wearing masks w/ no end in sight I come to the conclusion this is a ___ing serious situation Better to be scared than not - Cheerio
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I beg to differ. According to the Israeli Ministry of Health, the majority of those who are infected are those who are unvaccinated. Only a negligible number of people who received the booster (for a total of 3 shots) have fallen ill.
Note that this maybe an understatement- only those who actually have symptoms are liable to get tested.
Among those who are severely ill (requiring hospitalization), the overwhelming majority are unvaccinated.
The data are all here, but the graphs' legends are in Hebrew. Sorry.
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Around 20 - 25% of all infections in Ontario, Canada, are in the fully vaccinated. That's expected since we're at 80% fully vaccinated.
Here's my take on the maths:
Suppose you have 2 people, 1 vaccinated, 1 unvaccinated. Suppose they do everything together, even get exposed to COVID together. If the unvaccinated fell ill in a given situation, the vaccinated has only a 5% chance of falling ill in that same situation.
Now suppose you have a random collection of people, 80% vaccinated, getting exposed in a way that would lead them to falling ill. 5% of vaccinated would fall ill in that scenario. If 80% of them are vaccinated then 4 times the number of vaccinated vs unvaccinated will fall ill, ie 20% of the infected group who fall ill will be vaccinated.
So our numbers, while they seem scary, are a mathematical inevitability and show the vaccines work about 95% of the time, and that break through infections occur at the rate one would expect.
The real numbers are how many fully vaccinated people with no underlying health conditions end up in the ICU. That number is very, very small.
I'm still, however, waiting for the 5G chip in my vaccine to kick in. Maybe I need to upgrade the drivers, or maybe it's that 5G in Canada is still a dodgy proposition in many places.
cheers
Chris Maunder
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Chris Maunder wrote: I'm still, however, waiting for the 5G chip in my vaccine to kick in. Maybe I need to upgrade the drivers, or maybe it's that 5G in Canada is still a dodgy proposition in many places.
Did you already put your foil hat on? Maybe that's helping... 
The rest of your post... 
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I know people (some are even family of mine) working in hospitals in two different lands, and for their empiric observations, in the hospitals they work for, the ratio of intensive station patients is clearly (like 80% or more) being unvaccinated people and not that old as before, since some weeks / couple of months ago, the average age is getting younger and younger. Back to real cases: some people that went to school with me had to stay in the hospital for several days and one even died, and I am not that old.
I can't say in the rest of the world, but if in 5 hospitals in 4 different cities in two different countries is like that... adding some deviation, even rounding down a bit... it still is a remarkable difference.
I don't usually care, what the main stream says. And I know that many, many media groups follow their own agenda. But I do trust those people and I believe the numbers they see everyday.
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There's more to Covid than death. I know one family who are all suffering from long Covid; they've had it for over a year now. Another friend has been in hospital for the last 10 weeks with it. She's been in and out of intensive care with it.
Let's look at that statistic though. Assuming worst case of 97% recovery, the population of the USA is 328 million approx, so that's about 9.8 million deaths. That's a hell of a lot of people. 1% mortality is 3.2 million.
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as of today, we have only seen 688K deaths out of 42.9M cases, here in the United States.
There have been 4.55M deaths world wide, as of right now, out of 219M reported cases, out of a estimated world population of 7.9 billion.
I support vaccination. I support the science. I do not support fear mongering and I don't support people who choose to live and cower in fear because of COVID.
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May differ from country to country, but haven't seen any fear mongering. What purpose would that serve?
Drop the nonsense.
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What on earth does that mean; you don't support people who choose to live and cower in fear? If someone chooses to have the vaccine, they aren't cowering in fear. If someone is shielding, they aren't cowering in fear. If someone chooses to think of others and wear a mask, this isn't cowering in fear. Quite frankly, it's no one else's business how someone else chooses to live.
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Pete O'Hanlon wrote: it's no one else's business how someone else chooses to live.
Except when their choices affect others.
Otherwise, you'll get people arguing that it's "no one else's business" if they chose not to get vaccinated, and chose not to wear a mask or maintain social distancing. 
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- Homer
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Those figures may be correct but you're missing one important point, those are the numbers WITH precautions (social distancing, isolation, face masks, vaccine) in place, you're quoting them as if that's all that would have happened if we'd done nothing. The whole point of the vaccine and other measures is to reduce the transmission rate in the overall population NOT to protect the individual.
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Long COVID is a b****. It makes young, fit and active people unable to climb a single floor of stairs - for all intents and purpose, crippled.
I no longer care: I am vaccinated, therefore a lot safer from long COVID, and at the moment not being vaccinated is pretty much a choice instead of "a situation". If other people want to gamble, who am I to stop them? The only sad point for me is that I am not in a position to profit from them.
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If you're seeing a marked uptick in young people getting their first shot, my guess is that it has a lot more to do with succumbing to imminent job loss rather than d00m p0rn.
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That, and the fact that governments have now decided to make life miserable for those who are not yet vaccinated.
Vaccine passports are now required in some places to enter businesses deemed to be "non-essential". Strangely enough, over here where I am, when no vaccine was available, we used to use a color system (based on trends in infection rates); regions in red were in complete lockdown, yellow had some restrictions lifted, and those in green were pretty much a free-for-all (minus masks and keeping distances). Now that 80%+ of the local population has been vaccinated (and everything would be categorized as green), that system's out the window, to be replaced by stricter rules. That makes no sense to me.
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In many places, it's about obeying or losing your rights. Norway, Sweden, and Denmark are actually eliminating restrictions. Sweden--the former media poster boy for irresponsibility--is currently barring visitors from Israel, which is experiencing a big outbreak despite being one of the most heavily vaccinated countries. Singapore, maybe even more vaccinated, also has a big outbreak. Natural immunity gained from recovering from it is far more effective protection than the vaccines, yet the inconvenient science is ignored there. Many venues that now bar the unvaccinated are still using masks and social distancing. It's pointless to go on because it's like debating religion, and this is The Lounge.
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For years I've been using Thunderbird's RSS reader. I know it's primary known as an email client, but its RSS reader is pretty decent.
But for the past few months, I swear it takes longer and longer to start deleting stuff. I've had feeds that have had thousands of entries in them, but I delete stuff as I catch up with new posts, and frequently empty its trash folder, so there's very little data it should need to work with (a few dozen posts per feed, at the very most).
If I leave it alone for a few minutes then go back to it, and hit the Delete button, it can often take a solid 10+ seconds before I get any response from it. Then after it's finally deleted the entry, I can keep deleting stuff repeatedly and it'll be nearly instantaneous, as one would expect.
Leave it alone again for a few minutes, and them go back to it to delete one entry...and again, it'll take a long time to process that first request. It's like a system that very aggressively pages everything to disk, but there's no disk activity while it's in that state - just a spinner with the app going into this "not responding" state.
The process is using far less memory than what's available (in typical use, this system can keep running with very little paging). I can't even begin to imagine WTE it might be doing.
Anyone using Thunderbird is seeing something similar? I've gone over all options I could find, but there's practically nothing about memory usage and/or caching.
(This is more of a rant than me hoping for an actual solution)
Also...I'm not exactly married to Thunderbird. I know there's tons of alternative RSS readers out there, but I'd be curious to hear some recommendations based on first-hand experience. The simpler, the better - like I said, I don't even use its email functionality.
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Thunderbird is horrendously slow with email as well. I have no idea what it’s doing, but it’s slow.
What do you get when you cross a joke with a rhetorical question?
The metaphorical solid rear-end expulsions have impacted the metaphorical motorized bladed rotating air movement mechanism.
Do questions with multiple question marks annoy you???
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I used Thunderbird for quite a few years for my three email accounts. However I switched to Googlemail a few months back and find it is just as good, if not better.
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