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5teveH wrote: the real Fleetwood Mac
As opposed to...?
The difficult we do right away...
...the impossible takes slightly longer.
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I think he means The Original Fleetwood Mac
"We can't stop here - this is bat country" - Hunter S Thompson - RIP
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I would much rather focus on celebrating the pure genius of Peter Green, than getting into a debate about what is, (yes!), just my opinion about Fleetwood Mac after he, sadly, suffered a breakdown and left the band. So, to quote the great man himself:
Can't help about the shape I'm in
I can't sing, I aint pretty and my legs are thin
But don't ask me what I think of you
I might not give the answer that you want me to
Fleetwood Mac - Oh Well - 1969 - YouTube[^]
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I was not challenging you to a debate, just asking you to clarify what you meant. 
The difficult we do right away...
...the impossible takes slightly longer.
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It can't do anything important to my system without my say so, including updates. It feels good to refuse an auth sometimes just to give the finger to for example, the ubuntu software updater that keeps smashing my grub configuration.
So it's not that there aren't problems with its updates. For all windows' problems with them they've never stopped me from being able to boot any and all of my operating systems. Ubuntu has done that to me regularly except I know how to patch their update to fix it after the fact - before it reboots into oblivion. So I like that there's opportunities like that too.
But i think for my next "primary OS" I'm either using Win7 or a hypervisor depending on how well MIDI pass through works on my virtual machines. I figure between experimenting and installing it should only take me two days. 
Real programmers use butterflies
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Caveat: My experience with Linux is limited to Ubuntu a few years ago, using Qt to make an app that could be built for Windows or Linux.
The thing I dislike about Linux is that there are three ways to do anything, which people talk about endlessly in the fora, and you discover they don't apply to your distro/kernel/gender/ethnicity. When you ask questions the answers are anything but helpful, and very reminiscent of responses on StackOverflow.
Oh, and your problem? There's a fourth solution that people allude to, but say you wouldn't understand, and the fifth solution that you may discover that actually works.
Heaven help you if you let on you're primarily a Windows developer. Decades of experience, millions of lines of code in production, and a high-end salary for your region; none of that is significant. You're treated like a country oaf who can't be trusted not to piss against the side of a building.
Software Zen: delete this;
modified 25-Jul-20 14:55pm.
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I like StackOverflow. 
Other than that, I agree with you.
Real programmers use butterflies
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Like many things in life, SO is an acquired taste. I find it occasionally useful in search results.
My few attempts at posting questions were wastes of time. I think the longest one lasted before it was blocked/turned off/marked irrelevant was about 12 hours. I especially liked the last time when I tried to revise the question to correct its problems, and my account was disabled for too much activity (I think they thought I was spamming my own post).
I'll admit I haven't tried in three or four years, especially since the "kinder, gentler" StackOverflow supposedly became a thing.
Software Zen: delete this;
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Gary R. Wheeler wrote: there are three ways to do anything
Except doing anything in vim, there's one way, it's somehow different every time, but it always requires human sacrifice 
Just closing vim could be a class taught at universities.
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i loathe vim. Pico is okay, but frankly, i use GUI stuff mostly these days. It still helps to be comfortable with the console in linux though because maintaining it inevitably requires some work at that level.
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I am using a dual boot system with Windows/Linux since the early '90-ties.
The usual setup is that I make one "shared" nfs partition where my development stuff is on,
accessible from within Linux, and accessible from Windows.
Most of my software uses Qt
I do a lot of cross compiling for Window, Mingw64 is an excellent vehicle and is well supported on my Fedora part of the system.
On Windows I am also using Mingw, since using Qt with VS is a crime.
Wrt to VIM:
I'm not sure what the level of education is needed for handling Vim, I always thought
it was kindergarten level.
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This is one of the funniest posts I've read in a while. 
Did you forget to click the "Rant" button? 
I've been thinking about installing Linux in a VM, but you may have warned me off.
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Greg Utas wrote: Did you forget to click the "Rant" button?
Fixed.Greg Utas wrote: 've been thinking about installing Linux in a VM
I dual-booted Linux when I was working on this project. Nowadays I'd do it in a VM, probably using VirtualBox.
Software Zen: delete this;
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Gary R. Wheeler wrote: Nowadays I'd do it in a VM, probably using VirtualBox.
I usually use VMWare for Windows and VirtualBox for Linux, although didn't use it in personal Linux yet, only at work.
I would avoid dual boot, about which one being the main OS... that's on each with his own...
M.D.V. 
If something has a solution... Why do we have to worry about?. If it has no solution... For what reason do we have to worry about?
Help me to understand what I'm saying, and I'll explain it better to you
Rating helpful answers is nice, but saying thanks can be even nicer.
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I'll second that. Don't dual boot. You're just asking for trouble.
It's been many years since I've even wanted to try dual boot. I have been using Virtualbox on both my systems to give access to an instance of the other. (One windows and one Linux machine).
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Quote: I've been thinking about installing Linux in a VM
Why bother with a VM? I installed just Ubuntu from Microsoft store and works like a charm. For added fanciness install Xming to have X support.
Only problem is that I keep shaking my head in disbelief: Ubuntu from Microsoft store! O tempora! O mores!
Mircea
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I'd use a VM because I still want Windows.
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Give it a try; you'll like it. It gives you a Windows app called Ubuntu. The app opens instantly and brings in in a Linux bash shell which is just a window on your Windows desktop. Your hard drive is available as /mnt/c.
I've used VMware before but this one beats the heck out of it. Oh, btw, you need to enable Windows System for Linux.
Mircea
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I didn't realize you were talking about Windows System for Linux. I'd also been looking at that.
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It's sad that you had such a bad experience and that some people think they're supperior just because they know something you don't. Unfortunately I have met that kind of people myself from time to time.
That being said I am still on Linux for my programming needs (since 2002). But I mostly do PHP/web programming and I find it easier to use docker on Linux for that.
All OS have their quirks. I manage both Windows and Linux servers in my daily work so I get to experience them first hand.
My best advice is (if you still want to). Try it again in a virtual machine. Just remember Windows is not the same as Linux. Oh and I have always found that Linux Mint is easier to work with than Ubuntu, even though Mint is based on Ubuntu.
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It's been years, but I installed Ubuntu into a system and wanted it to duel-boot with Windows. After the Windows install I didn't seem to have Ubuntu. Hand-rebuilding the grub file and making it work again.
If done in the other order, Windows, then Ubuntu, one had a duel-boot system.
Of course, that was "then".
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I like that you call it duel-boot instead of dual-boot. It implies that the two OS's are doing pistols at dawn - often not far from the truth. 
Real programmers use butterflies
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If you're illiterate, do you live your life by a set of unwritten rules?
If you can't laugh at yourself - ask me and I will do it for you.
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