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Looking at a new rig later this year, them 8th gen coffee lake intels don't look half bad.
but,
windows 7 not supported! no video driver, no usb drivers (incl usb 2 coz they piggy back the new intel usb 3.x driver)
and it's intel's fault - they wont do the drivers.
so: figured boot linux and run 7 in a vm, but searching around linucs isn't grokking the coffee lake very well either (even after a mess of farting around updating portions of the kernel with experimental drivers it's still far from stable.)
so looks like no choice, gonna have to sacrifice one of my precious w7 licences for an upgrade to w10 (which is still doable for free.)
anyway, gonna be a few months away, (after a couple of antipodean holidays),
things may improve before then.
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Lopatir wrote: things may improve before then.
I wouldn't bank on it. It's had nearly three years and it still not as good as Win7. 
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not so much w10 improving,
more along the lines of linuc properly supporting the platform (so I can vm into 7)
(have a feeling intel wont ever release divers for w7 coz they want to keep microsof friended.)
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Lopatir wrote: have a feeling intel wont ever release divers for w7 coz...
Good one. 
I have lived with several Zen masters - all of them were cats.
His last invention was an evil Lasagna. It didn't kill anyone, and it actually tasted pretty good.
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I'm not surprised - they are all needed in Thailand!
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If you don't trust Linux to work on it, run 10 as a host, and 7 in a Hyper-V VM? Hyper-V runs under 10; it's no longer an exclusive to Windows Server.
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So you are the guy who put a chair on a ladder and a stool on that chair to change the light bulb, also the unvoluntary inventor of the Salto Mortale[^]?
I have lived with several Zen masters - all of them were cats.
His last invention was an evil Lasagna. It didn't kill anyone, and it actually tasted pretty good.
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I only suggested to run 10 as the VM host, rather than Linux. Same count. I wasn't suggesting to runs VMs within VMs within VMs within (...)
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Or he could just not host anything in something else and get rid of Windows altogether.
I have lived with several Zen masters - all of them were cats.
His last invention was an evil Lasagna. It didn't kill anyone, and it actually tasted pretty good.
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Well, he said he wanted to run Windows 7. I was trying to offer solutions within those parameters. If you're free to change the goalposts, then yeah, it's time to ditch Windows if Microsoft wants to play those games.
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In the long term you will have to use increasingly weirder constructs. Of course they try to finally herd you to Win 10, so the choice is between playing along and moving to Win 10 or leaving it entirely. Everything inbetween will be difficult, just because they don't want you to do that.
I have lived with several Zen masters - all of them were cats.
His last invention was an evil Lasagna. It didn't kill anyone, and it actually tasted pretty good.
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too true...
- first they tried hyping it,
- next was force feeding,
- then came baiting ('free now, later you pay' - which btw false if you have a valid 7/8 licence)
- then they tried sweetening ('10 can do this, 7 cant,' '10 is faster' - btw: it's not faster)
- then they tried scare ('10 will always be safe, 7 will fail')
- now they're bypassing the consumer and manipulating the physical/infra.
more than once they also suggested 'everyone has 10 except you' - but the stats proved (and still do) otherwise
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In the long term I would not want to be so dependent on Mickeysoft's whims and bet my entire investment of time and money on them being reasonable.
I have lived with several Zen masters - all of them were cats.
His last invention was an evil Lasagna. It didn't kill anyone, and it actually tasted pretty good.
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He can deal with that when the time comes. I still have XP running perfectly fine in VMs.
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I'd see if win10 drivers work the same for 7... Besides, the USB drivers should come with the motherboard and for them there is no manifacturer other than Asus and MSI - all the others are to be considered junk until proven otherwise. Video should come with its own board, integrated video is cool for a VGA only save-the-pc scenario.
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den2k88 wrote: I'd see if win10 drivers work the same for 7
I've installed Vista drivers on 10, but the opposite might not necessarily be true. One may be able to edit .inf files and disable the driver signing check as needed, but that's when you start going down an unpleasant path.
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dandy72 wrote: that's when you start going down an unpleasant path.
I've been on that path since the days of Windows 95 
Having 10 at work I promise I'll do everything in my power to leave it as far as possible from my home machine.
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I had to give in eventually. Even though I still think it's the ugliest version of Windows MS has ever allowed out the door.
While XP was derided for its "Fisher-Price UI", at least it still had "classic mode", so I had that as an option.
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UI isn't a problem, it's the instability over long times. It doesn't crash and burn but things stop working with no reason (happened twice, once the start/search button became unresponsive and once the task manager refused to show me a particular process, in this case it worked again after a reboot) and often only a system restore can fix it... plus it has issues with old software and I really want my old games to run natively if I can.
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No version of Windows has ever been flawless. I've seen everything you describe with every version since the early 90s, and (YMMV of course) I have no reason to believe 10 is any worse in that respect.
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Actually my experience with 7 has been very good so far, I have it since 2011 and it never failed, not on its own. I have Win10 since 5 months and I've already experienced many problems other than those I described, and I have the LTSB version - which lacks both Cortana and the Market - so it has even less failure points.
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It's no good. There is nothing to write a protocol of the meeting with.
I have lived with several Zen masters - all of them were cats.
His last invention was an evil Lasagna. It didn't kill anyone, and it actually tasted pretty good.
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Just use a generic agenda - as long as it has space for 5 hours of elephanting AOB no-one will ever notice the difference.
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