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file this under yet another MS rant. Stupid elephanters. I tend to work early in the morning or late at night, and I don't want to hear my fans blasting away, I mean, I'm in an editor - I'm not building code. Why is my laptop fan zipping along?
pi7 - 8 cores. core 1 (base 0) is zipping along doing who knows what? it's a well known problem.
Has MS fixed it? nah. Maybe the next core creators f'up will? prob not.
can anyone name the leading OS in the world? it's not linux or ms....
Charlie Gilley
<italic>Stuck in a dysfunctional matrix from which I must escape...
"Where liberty dwells, there is my country." B. Franklin, 1783
“They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.” BF, 1759
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Back in the 90's or thereabouts used to be into FreeBSD
one of their claims at that time was that FreeBSD ran cooler than MS and Linux under the same workload,
not just claimed, they could prove it. (Not sure still holds today).
Other facts:
- the most reliable server OS with a way larger share than Linux (early 2000's),
-- supposedly is still the most reliable in terms of measured % up times
- was used as the base for Apple's iOS,
- a huge chunk was also used in the base for Android O/S,
- even MS borrowed code from it (before they started ripping off from Linux).
Alas these days I have to do work for proper customers, havn't touched it for over a decade.
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I've read the various support responses, my response would be "you're fired."
Charlie Gilley
<italic>Stuck in a dysfunctional matrix from which I must escape...
"Where liberty dwells, there is my country." B. Franklin, 1783
“They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.” BF, 1759
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But if it's not making noise how do you know it's working? 
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Since I just met the Flying Dutchman on the way to work: If it has a yellow/black license plate and sleeps on the leftmost of four lanes, how do you know it's moving if it does not make any noise?
I have lived with several Zen masters - all of them were cats.
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On a laptop with both a normal and a 3d-card this could be caused by a wrong videocard selection, your editing program obviously does not need to use 3d graphics, so check if it is not launched accidentally with a 3d setting.
Just right click on the shortcut or program and see if there is a Nvidia configuration or something similar.
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Have you tried checking Task Manager to see what's running?
Or Process Monitor[^] for a more detailed view?
(And I've fixed the title for you.  )
"These people looked deep within my soul and assigned me a number based on the order in which I joined."
- Homer
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yes of course . fyi- the way I know it's running is the fan is zipping along. 8 hours later, I have cores relatively quiet and one averaging 80+%.
The last time I looked it's a system level task that's buried quite deep in the OS. It's not the video card. The issue is right up there with why Microsoft <insert os="" name=""> will never, ever be secure, but I digress.
As I type this - something under System is eating 12% of my cpu. It lives under NT Kernel and System, so it leans in the direction of yet another driver issue. It's been happening to people since Windows 7, and most of the help suggestions on Microsoft are of the ilk of "you may need to re-install the OS" crap.
Charlie Gilley
<italic>Stuck in a dysfunctional matrix from which I must escape...
"Where liberty dwells, there is my country." B. Franklin, 1783
“They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.” BF, 1759
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charlieg wrote: so it leans in the direction of yet another driver issu
And your video driver was written by Microsoft?
Myself I hadn't thought that I had a video driver written by Microsoft since perhaps the late 90s.
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Of course not. No one said it was a video driver, but if you waste your time and read the suggestions out on MS's support groups, their drones will issue said suggestions.
That said, once you get down inside the kernel, you are running in privileged mode, permitted by the user wanting their hardware to work, Microsoft fully dependent on said external code to work properly with their OS. For a company pushing estimated values of 500 BILLION usd, I might suggest that they don't know what the f*** they are doing. So I call bullshit.
apologies to the lounge
For a company of this size, intellect and talent to allow an external driver to crash their OS is on the level of Bill Clinton stating, "I did not have sex with that woman."
This nonsense has been going on for decades. And a very smart and capable company still hides behind this facade.
Remember, Windows 10 and the accelerated demise of Windows 7 is pushed for improvements and security, yet they cannot even address basic stability issues. Now all I get are popups telling me I want to install a program that's not from the Windows store. Give me an elephanting break.
I won't even bring up the "suddenly discovered gaping holes in Intel and AMD processors - spectra and whatever". Only reported when it went public. But don't worry, the cloud is secure.
suckers
Charlie Gilley
<italic>Stuck in a dysfunctional matrix from which I must escape...
"Where liberty dwells, there is my country." B. Franklin, 1783
“They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.” BF, 1759
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charlieg wrote: For a company pushing estimated values of 500 BILLION usd, I might suggest that they don't know what the f*** they are doing. So I call bullshit.
Having done software for decades, having done backend software exclusively for decades, having written drivers long ago and even disassembled operating systems long ago, myself I can readily recognize that
1. The current OSes, all of them, are too complicated for a single human to understand much less manage.
2. The possibility of producing even a much smaller OS with zero faults is zero. So rather pointless to suggest that there is some problem with the process at Microsoft.
3. Large companies means many people. Many people vastly increases the potential for problems. It is an exponential not linear progression, so again for myself it is only surprising that there are not more problems.
charlieg wrote: I won't even bring up the "suddenly discovered gaping holes in Intel and AMD processors - spectra and whatever". Only reported when it went public. But don't worry, the cloud is secure.
You are claiming that is Microsoft's fault?
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Solution: Disconnect the fans. You won't hear a thing.
You might start smelling something shortly thereafter, but that's a problem for another day.
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Charlie Gilley
<italic>Stuck in a dysfunctional matrix from which I must escape...
"Where liberty dwells, there is my country." B. Franklin, 1783
“They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.” BF, 1759
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You wanna hear a fan?! Come sit in the room with my Itanium server, yeah, that's LOUD.
And OpenVMS is the greatest Operating System ever.
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I actually had a VAX in my bedroom thinking I could code quietly - might as well have fired up the shop-vac. The older I get, the more I want quiet.
Charlie Gilley
<italic>Stuck in a dysfunctional matrix from which I must escape...
"Where liberty dwells, there is my country." B. Franklin, 1783
“They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.” BF, 1759
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My MicroVAX 3100 is comparatively quiet, and the AlphaServer 800 is also designed for office environment use.
But the AlphaServer DS10-L and HP Integrity rx1620 are blades, intended to be in a rack in a server room.
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See if you have the Windows Search or Superfetch services enabled. Both of those can cause that kind of thing while providing little in return.
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Good suggestion, but those show up prominently. This is something running in the kernel context. I mean, what the hell, if I had all the time in the world, I could debug and isolate it. Much easier to rant. (poking fun at myself)
My new development laptop was elephanting rock solid for 8 months. Windows 10 wanted / insisted to update. Okay, I'll be one of the brethren.
BSOD
BSOD
BSOD
This in the middle of the f'ing day - with all my dev tools open. Once? okay, 3+ times, someone is messing with me. A little research, I learn MS is going to "help" me by updating my drivers. This from the same group of jackasses that never concluded forced reboots might piss off developers (google it).
So, I go back to my oem, go *back* to their blessed drivers and not a crash since.
yeah - suck it MS.
Charlie Gilley
<italic>Stuck in a dysfunctional matrix from which I must escape...
"Where liberty dwells, there is my country." B. Franklin, 1783
“They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.” BF, 1759
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charlieg wrote: file this under yet another MS rant. ...Why is my laptop fan zipping along?
Just curious why you think this would specifically be a Microsoft problem?
My random thought would be that all CPUs these days burn a lot of electricity. Which means heat. And when you put that in a very small enclosed space you better put a fan in there. All of that is physics and hardware.
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It's windows 10. What am I supposed to think? It's been an issue dating back to Windows 8 and likely further.
I have 8 cores, only 1 core has run away, MS has no idea why... Why would that be? Surely they have smart people working on an issue like this. Really, you're going to let a 3rd party driver hijack the OS? I mean, is this the 3rd grade where your dog ate the homework?
Charlie Gilley
<italic>Stuck in a dysfunctional matrix from which I must escape...
"Where liberty dwells, there is my country." B. Franklin, 1783
“They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.” BF, 1759
modified 3-Mar-18 22:36pm.
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charlieg wrote: I have 8 cores, only 1 core has run away, MS has no idea why... Why would that be?
Why? Because there are millions if not billions or even trillions (or more?) of possible combinations.
And expecting any one to deal with all of those possibilities is not reasonable.
Nor even possible.
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As a developer, I would tend to agree with you. As a Microsoft user, I want to argue. This is the same company that came out with a new OS and rebooted machines on their schedule oblivious of the impact on many of their customers.
This issue has existed from the initial release of Windows 10. We have the memory dumps, we have the debug tools, all they have to do is fix it. This is down inside of their core code. Claiming "it's hard" is ridiculous.
Charlie Gilley
<italic>Stuck in a dysfunctional matrix from which I must escape...
"Where liberty dwells, there is my country." B. Franklin, 1783
“They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.” BF, 1759
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I did two or three internet searches on this topic, and encountered typical SEO and LinkBait.
My preferred choice of web browser (until this week) has been Opera.
I now observe this behavior, and I welcome, invite, and encourage second party verification (or confutation) of what's happening to me here.
- Open Opera on my (Android) phone.
- Go to a site which has video content. (YouTube will do)
- Choose a video clip to play.
- Start the clip.
This is what I see on my Android when I do that...
"...Unfortunately, Corner-CoverMusicController ..."
While closing the offending tab (in Opera) is not totally impossible, it is certainly not easy.
I have currently capitulated and am using a different browser.
Anybody got a real fix ? (i.e., one that lets me use Opera)
Opera
Version 45.0.2246.125120
modified 2-Mar-18 0:04am.
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This is more a question for the "quick answers" section, try posting it there ...
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