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THis came in via the Daily News: No let-up in devastating decline of Microsoft's browsers | Computerworld[^]
And it's interesting reading: IE and Edge are falling off a cliff, Firefox is down to 7.7% and falling, Chrome is gaining users at a rapid rate.
Which means we could have a single unified browser in a couple of years: Chrome. That's obviously good news for us as developers - only one browser means our website code only has to work and be tested for Chrome. But ... much as I dislike IE (and really dislike Edge) I can't see that as good for the industry: where is the drive for innovation?
Any thoughts, Lads and Lassies?
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People prefer an underdog. As soon as it becomes mainstream it is no longer good and the emphasis will move to another underdog.
Beside it will try and satisfy everyone and in doing so became terrible.
Bring on the next underdog....
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Firefox is about to lose me since their idiotic and useless restrictions to protect clueless users.
IE was never a choice.
Chrome is still the heaviest browser around and kills my poor RAM without pity. Also I dislike its interface very much.
I'll try some kind of clone, like the deceases Iceweasel or see if there are less known browsers - 13 years ago I started using AvantBrowser and I loved it, then I switched to Linux and lost the capability to run it, now I'm back on Windows so I'll look for similar thingies.
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den2k88 wrote: Firefox is about to lose me since their idiotic and useless restrictions to protect clueless users
This should be awarded PITA of the century.
den2k88 wrote: IE was never a choice.
Yep.
den2k88 wrote: Chrome is still the heaviest browser around and kills my poor RAM without pity
Who cares about RAM ?
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4 GB and 2.5 to run Chrome? Mwahahahah, no. At work I have 2 GB of RAM and only because I "borrowed" a computer from the production environment otherwise I'd have 1 - yes don't get me started about workplace policies and equipment.
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If you think 'goto' is evil, try writing an Assembly program without JMP. -- TNCaver
When I was six, there were no ones and zeroes - only zeroes. And not all of them worked. -- Ravi Bhavnani
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Sit down, and make a business case.
Work out how much of your time is spent waiting for your computer to do something, that could be reduced to almost nothing by a faster PC with a good RAM size and an SSD.
Then use your salary (times 1.5 to allow for company overheads in employing you, it's probably more than that) to work out how much money per week the pitiful PC you have is wasting the company. Then price up the PC you want and show how quickly they get a return on the investment. If it's shortish, take it to your boss.
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Thrice said and did, nothing resulted. The company is ruled by "as cheap as possible and even more" standards, to the point of risking hundreds of thousands of euros in order to bill 33€ of expedition to the customer.
Also, if they do not care then I do not either, as long as they pay me. They may be sub-par as wage and benefits but they are solid, honest and prefer to keep their employees - but if someone resigns do not expect negotiations. You say you want out, you're out, end of story.
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If you think 'goto' is evil, try writing an Assembly program without JMP. -- TNCaver
When I was six, there were no ones and zeroes - only zeroes. And not all of them worked. -- Ravi Bhavnani
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It is interesting as I noticed the other day that Chrome has replaced Norton the Virus (sorry antivirus) in the flash update additional installs
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Given that Chrome (by Google) is based on the open-source Chromium, there should be avenues for innovation from below as it were. Google doesn't (yet) own the entire web, so there will be people out there pushing for new features. (OK, so I'm an optimist.)
I use Chromium on Linux a fair bit, and, without looking too closely, don't feel any real difference between -e and -ium.
Cheers,
Peter
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There used to be a single unified browser, it was called Internet Explorer. Reading the between the lines in your eyes that was bad. Now that it is Chrome you seem to think that is going to be good? So it's really that you think a "unified browser" is good, it's more that you don't like IE?
I agree with the other person that said these browser fads come and go. When FF came out people acted like it was a cure for cancer and were screaming "Ha ha, IE is dying!!1". Now Chrome has come out people move to that and scream "Ha ha, IE is dying!!1". When the next browser comes out it'll be the same thing.
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No, that's not what I'm saying.
I'm saying that a browser world where only Chrome matters is possibly going to arrive, and that while that's good from a developer POV (a single stable platform to develop against always helps us) I'm not sure it's a good idea from an innovation POV.
OK, there is still Safari out there, but if you discount FB and Twatter that dumps most of the iPhone / iPad internet usage anyway!
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OriginalGriff wrote: Which means we could have a single unified browser in a couple of years: Chrome. That's obviously good news for us as developers
You write that as if this a new thing that might happen in a few years and it could be good. But you're ignoring the fact that we already had that situation 10 years back with IE? The most likely reason you are ignoring that is because you don't mind saying "When Chrome is the only browser we need to worry about it wil be good", but you don't want to say "When IE was the only browser we had to worry about it was good".
Anyway, I think the way things are currently going which is heading toward a well-implemented set of standards is the best solution as then we can get to a truly browser-agnostic web. It won't neccesarily stifle innovation either. Browsers can still implement browser-specific tools and features that don't relate to html at all (the way download managers work, favourites, debug tools etc). As long as we stick to feature-based development rather than browser-based development then html can be extended too. Let's say IE decides to implement disabling the back button, the code would be like
if (window.disableBackButton) {
window.disableBackButton();
}
That way the page will function fine in non-IE browsers, and if Chrome or FF, or whatever new browser on the block wants to implement this then they can do, and maybe over time it could be considered to be brought into the standards.
History has already shown us that browser-based development is a bad idea and browsers that are too varied in their implementation of standards is a bad idea, and if one browser does turn out to be dominant and we go back to those bad old ways then we're simply repeating that history. The fact that the dominant browser is Chrome rather than IE won't alleviate any of those issues.
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F-ES Sitecore wrote: There used to be a single unified browser, it was called Internet Explorer Netscape Navigator.
Fixed that for ya 
(How long until someone one-ups me with Lynx? gets the stopwatch)
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I'd have said CompuServe, but I was trying to pitch to the right age group 
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Ugh, now you're making me feel old.
CompuServe was a rip-off... We had Prodigy.
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Won't happen. Now there seems to be space in the market for another browser as IE, Firefox and Edge fall off the edge in a heap, you can guarantee that Zuckerberg is working on 'FaceLook'©™® with integrated search engine that only searches that website he set up. Can't remember what it's called just now.
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Even if IE/Edge fell to 1% you'd still have about 74,000,000[^] people that use it. All of them will be your "enterprise" customers that you don't want to lose
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Except 1% of the market share is not the same as 1% of the world's population.
The estimate[^] is that 46.1% of the world's population have internet access.
So at 1%, you'd only have around 34 million users to worry about.
(And most of them will probably be stuck on IE6.)
"These people looked deep within my soul and assigned me a number based on the order in which I joined."
- Homer
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And of that 46.1%, 38.5% are Nigerian princes trying to get their family fortune out of the country.
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The single unified browser is just rainbows and unicorns -- it'll never happen. With adoption like that, Chrome is primed to become the next browser attack surface of choice, if it isn't already. After a while, it will get a bad name due to all its security vulnerabilities, and then people will start migrating to the next new one. History does repeat itself, over and over again.
We can program with only 1's, but if all you've got are zeros, you've got nothing.
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[~]-o10b (8)
Hints:
1. Oh they make everything faster!
2. Guess what? You work on it every day
3.
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NOTHING Not enough letters. 
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That's funny, because I have got nothing either!
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