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Except the ones who bolted.
I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!
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You mean it's possible to get out of here alive? 
Anything that is unrelated to elephants is irrelephant
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The problem with quotes on the internet is that you can never tell if they're genuine
Winston Churchill, 1944
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I'd just like a chance to prove that money can't make me happy.
Me, all the time
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A one or two sentence description of what Software Development is.
Pat O
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Again what Maximilien asked: Why? 
Anything that is unrelated to elephants is irrelephant
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The problem with quotes on the internet is that you can never tell if they're genuine
Winston Churchill, 1944
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I'd just like a chance to prove that money can't make me happy.
Me, all the time
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Because I am interested in your opinion or how you would describe what you do.
Pat O
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#NO
Bad command or file name. Bad, bad command! Sit! Stay! Staaaay...
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Maybe you should try tweeting your request and see if that works out for you.*
* Else, it's back to the drawing board for you . . .
| "The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits." - Albert Einstein | | "As far as we know, our computer has never had an undetected error." - Weisert | | "If you are searching for perfection in others, then you seek disappointment. If you are seek perfection in yourself, then you will find failure." - Balboos HaGadol Mar 2010 |
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As pointed out the goal was to get a short response. Yes I put it out on twitter, but wanted to get more responses. I am especially interested in responses from people who I don't know. People who work in different parts of the industry. My tweet is #SoftwareDevelopmentIs Problem identification, clarification, resolution and remediation.
If you think this idea has no merit, feel free to move along. I understand the issues with twitter, but it is an easy way to express the constraint. One of two sentences no more.
Pat O
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...an utterly amazing and essential part of the wonderful modern world of computers and IT in general - except for Twitter; that's crap!
- I would love to change the world, but they won’t give me the source code.
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Software development is the process of computer programming, documenting, testing, and bug fixing involved in creating and maintaining applications and frameworks involved in a software release life cycle and resulting in a software product. The term refers to a process of writing and maintaining the source code, but in a broader sense of the term it includes all that is involved between the conception of the desired software through to the final manifestation of the software, ideally in a planned and structured process.[1] Therefore, software development may include research, new development, prototyping, modification, reuse, re-engineering, maintenance, or any other activities that result in software products.[2]
Software can be developed for a variety of purposes, the three most common being to meet specific needs of a specific client/business (the case with custom software), to meet a perceived need of some set of potential users (the case with commercial and open source software), or for personal use (e.g. a scientist may write software to automate a mundane task). Embedded software development, that is, the development of embedded software such as used for controlling consumer products, requires the development process to be integrated with the development of the controlled physical product. System software underlies applications and the programming process itself, and is often developed separately.
The need for better quality control of the software development process has given rise to the discipline of software engineering, which aims to apply the systematic approach exemplified in the engineering paradigm to the process of software development.
There are many approaches to software project management, known as software development life cycle models, methodologies, processes, or models. The waterfall model is a traditional version, contrasted with the more recent innovation of agile software development.
Contents [hide]
1 Methodologies
2 Software development activities
2.1 Identification of need
2.2 Planning
2.3 Designing
2.4 Implementation, testing and documenting
2.5 Deployment and maintenance
2.6 Other
3 Subtopics
3.1 View model
3.2 Business process and data modelling
3.3 Computer-aided software engineering
3.4 Integrated development environment
3.5 Modeling language
3.6 Programming paradigm
3.7 Software framework
4 See also
4.1 Roles and industry
4.2 Specific applications
5 References
6 Further reading
Methodologies[edit]
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A software development process (also known as a software development methodology, model, or life cycle) is a framework that is used to structure, plan, and control the process of developing information systems. A wide variety of such frameworks have evolved over the years, each with its own recognized strengths and weaknesses. There are several different approaches to software development: some take a more structured, engineering-based approach to developing business solutions, whereas others may take a more incremental approach, where software evolves as it is developed piece-by-piece. One system development methodology is not necessarily suitable for use by all projects. Each of the available methodologies is best suited to specific kinds of projects, based on various technical, organizational, project and team considerations.
Most methodologies share some combination of the following stages of software development:
Analyzing the problem
Market research
Gathering requirements for the proposed business solution
Devising a plan or design for the software-based solution
Implementation (coding) of the software
Testing the software
Deployment
Maintenance and bug fixing
These stages are often referred to collectively as the software development lifecycle, or SDLC. Different approaches to software development may carry out these stages in different orders, or devote more or less time to different stages. The level of detail of the documentation produced at each stage of software development may also vary. These stages may also be carried out in turn (a “waterfall” based approach), or they may be repeated over various cycles or iterations (a more "extreme" approach). The more extreme approach usually involves less time spent on planning and documentation, and more time spent on coding and development of automated tests. More “extreme” approaches also promote continuous testing throughout the development lifecycle, as well as having a working (or bug-free) product at all times. More structured or “waterfall” based approaches attempt to assess the majority of risks and develop a detailed plan for the software before implementation(coding) begins, and avoid significant design changes and re-coding in later stages of the software development life cycle planning.
There are significant advantages and disadvantages to the various methodologies, and the best approach to solving a problem using software will often depend on the type of problem. If the problem is well understood and a solution can be effectively planned out ahead of time, the more "waterfall" based approach may work the best. If, on the other hand, the problem is unique (at least to the development team) and the structure of the software solution cannot be easily envisioned, then a more "extreme" incremental approach may work best.
Software development activities[edit]
Identification of need[edit]
The sources of ideas for software products are legion.[3] These ideas can come from market research including the demographics of potential new customers, existing customers, sales prospects who rejected the product, other internal software development staff, or a creative third party. Ideas for software products are usually first evaluated by marketing personnel for economic feasibility, for fit with existing channels distribution, for possible effects on existing product lines, required features, and for fit with the company's marketing objectives. In a marketing evaluation phase, the cost and time assumptions become evaluated. A decision is reached early in the first phase as to whether, based on the more detailed information generated by the marketing and development staff, the project should be pursued further.[3]
In the book "Great Software Debates", Alan M. Davis states in the chapter "Requirements", subchapter "The Missing Piece of Software Development"
Students of engineering learn engineering and are rarely exposed to finance or marketing. Students of marketing learn marketing and are rarely exposed to finance or engineering. Most of us become specialists in just one area. To complicate matters, few of us meet interdisciplinary people in the workforce, so there are few roles to mimic. Yet, software product planning is critical to the development success and absolutely requires knowledge of multiple disciplines.[4]
Because software development may involve compromising or going beyond what is required by the client, a software development project may stray into less technical concerns such as human resources, risk management, intellectual property, budgeting, crisis management, etc. These processes may also cause the role of business development to overlap with software development.
Planning[edit]
Planning is an objective of each and every activity, where we want to discover things that belong to the project. An important task in creating a software program is extracting the requirements or requirements analysis.[5] Customers typically have an abstract idea of what they want as an end result, but do not know what software should do. Skilled and experienced software engineers recognize incomplete, ambiguous, or even contradictory requirements at this point. Frequently demonstrating live code may help reduce the risk that the requirements are incorrect.
Once the general requirements are gathered from the client, an analysis of the scope of the development should be determined and clearly stated. This is often called a scope document.
Certain functionality may be out of scope of the project as a function of cost or as a result of unclear requirements at the start of development. If the development is done externally, this document can be considered a legal document so that if there are ever disputes, any ambiguity of what was promised to the client can be clarified.
Designing[edit]
Main articles: Software design and Systems design
Once the requirements are established, the design of the software can be established in a software design document. This involves a preliminary, or high-level design of the main modules with an overall picture (such as a block diagram) of how the parts fit together. The language, operating system, and hardware components should all be known at this time. Then a detailed or low-level design is created, perhaps with prototyping as proof-of-concept or to firm up requirements.
Implementation, testing and documenting[edit]
Implementation is the part of the process where software engineers actually program the code for the project.
Software testing is an integral and important phase of the software development process. This part of the process ensures that defects are recognized as soon as possible. In some processes, generally known as test-driven development, tests may be developed just before implementation and serve as a guide for the implementation's correctness.
Documenting the internal design of software for the purpose of future maintenance and enhancement is done throughout development. This may also include the writing of an API, be it external or internal. The software engineering process chosen by the developing team will determine how much internal documentation (if any) is necessary. Plan-driven models (e.g., Waterfall) generally produce more documentation than Agile models.
Deployment and maintenance[edit]
Deployment starts directly after the code is appropriately tested, approved for release, and sold or otherwise distributed into a production environment. This may involve installation, customization (such as by setting parameters to the customer's values), testing, and possibly an extended period of evaluation.[citation needed]
Software training and support is important, as software is only effective if it is used correctly.[citation needed]
Maintaining and enhancing software to cope with newly discovered faults or requirements can take substantial time and effort, as missed requirements may force redesign of the software.[citation needed]
Other[edit]
Performance engineering
Subtopics[edit]
View model[edit]
The TEAF Matrix of Views and Perspectives.
A view model is a framework that provides the viewpoints on the system and its environment, to be used in the software development process. It is a graphical representation of the underlying semantics of a view.
The purpose of viewpoints and views is to enable human engineers to comprehend very complex systems, and to organize the elements of the problem and the solution around domains of expertise. In the engineering of physically intensive systems, viewpoints often correspond to capabilities and responsibilities within the engineering organization.[6]
Most complex system specifications are so extensive that no one individual can fully comprehend all aspects of the specifications. Furthermore, we all have different interests in a given system and different reasons for examining the system's specifications. A business executive will ask different questions of a system make-up than would a system implementer. The concept of viewpoints framework, therefore, is to provide separate viewpoints into the specification of a given complex system. These viewpoints each satisfy an audience with interest in some set of aspects of the system. Associated with each viewpoint is a viewpoint language that optimizes the vocabulary and presentation for the audience of that viewpoint.
Business process and data modelling[edit]
Graphical representation of the current state of information provides a very effective means for presenting information to both users and system developers.
example of the interaction between business process and data models.[7]
A business model illustrates the functions associated with the business process being modeled and the organizations that perform these functions. By depicting activities and information flows, a foundation is created to visualize, define, understand, and validate the nature of a process.
A data model provides the details of information to be stored, and is of primary use when the final product is the generation of computer software code for an application or the preparation of a functional specification to aid a computer software make-or-buy decision. See the figure on the right for an example of the interaction between business process and data models.[7]
Usually, a model is created after conducting an interview, referred to as business analysis. The interview consists of a facilitator asking a series of questions designed to extract required information that describes a process. The interviewer is called a facilitator to emphasize that it is the participants who provide the information. The facilitator should have some knowledge of the process of interest, but this is not as important as having a structured methodology by which the questions are asked of the process expert. The methodology is important because usually a team of facilitators is collecting information across the facility and the results of the information from all the interviewers must fit together once completed.[7]
The models are developed as defining either the current state of the process, in which case the final product is called the "as-is" snapshot model, or a collection of ideas of what the process should contain, resulting in a "what-can-be" model. Generation of process and data models can be used to determine if the existing processes and information systems are sound and only need minor modifications or enhancements, or if re-engineering is required as a corrective action. The creation of business models is more than a way to view or automate your information process. Analysis can be used to fundamentally reshape the way your business or organization conducts its operations.[7]
Computer-aided software engineering[edit]
Computer-aided software engineering (CASE), in the field software engineering is the scientific application of a set of software tools and methods to the development of software which results in high-quality, defect-free, and maintainable software products.[8] It also refers to methods for the development of information systems together with automated tools that can be used in the software development process.[9] The term "computer-aided software engineering" (CASE) can refer to the software used for the automated development of systems software, i.e., computer code. The CASE functions include analysis, design, and programming. CASE tools automate methods for designing, documenting, and producing structured computer code in the desired programming language.[10]
Two key ideas of Computer-aided Software System Engineering (CASE) are:[11]
Foster computer assistance in software development and or software maintenance processes, and
An engineering approach to software development and or maintenance.
Typical CASE tools exist for configuration management, data modeling, model transformation, refactoring, source code generation.
Integrated development environment[edit]
Anjuta, a C and C++ IDE for the GNOME environment
An integrated development environment (IDE) also known as integrated design environment or integrated debugging environment is a software application that provides comprehensive facilities to computer programmers for software development. An IDE normally consists of a:
source code editor,
compiler and/or interpreter,
build automation tools, and
debugger (usually).
IDEs are designed to maximize programmer productivity by providing tight-knit components with similar user interfaces. Typically an IDE is dedicated to a specific programming language, so as to provide a feature set which most closely matches the programming paradigms of the language.
Modeling language[edit]
A modeling language is any artificial language that can be used to express information or knowledge or systems in a structure that is defined by a consistent set of rules. The rules are used for interpretation of the meaning of components in the structure. A modeling language can be graphical or textual.[12] Graphical modeling languages use a diagram techniques with named symbols that represent concepts and lines that connect the symbols and that represent relationships and various other graphical annotation to represent constraints. Textual modeling languages typically use standardised keywords accompanied by parameters to make computer-interpretable expressions.
Example of graphical modelling languages in the field of software engineering are:
Business Process Modeling Notation (BPMN, and the XML form BPML) is an example of a process modeling language.
EXPRESS and EXPRESS-G (ISO 10303-11) is an international standard general-purpose data modeling language.
Extended Enterprise Modeling Language (EEML) is commonly used for business process modeling across layers.
Flowchart is a schematic representation of an algorithm or a stepwise process,
Fundamental Modeling Concepts (FMC) modeling language for software-intensive systems.
IDEF is a family of modeling languages, the most notable of which include IDEF0 for functional modeling, IDEF1X for information modeling, and IDEF5 for modeling ontologies.
LePUS3 is an object-oriented visual Design Description Language and a formal specification language that is suitable primarily for modelling large object-oriented (Java, C++, C#) programs and design patterns.
Specification and Description Language(SDL) is a specification language targeted at the unambiguous specification and description of the behaviour of reactive and distributed systems.
Unified Modeling Language (UML) is a general-purpose modeling language that is an industry standard for specifying software-intensive systems. UML 2.0, the current version, supports thirteen different diagram techniques, and has widespread tool support.
Not all modeling languages are executable, and for those that are, using them doesn't necessarily mean that programmers are no longer needed. On the contrary, executable modeling languages are intended to amplify the productivity of skilled programmers, so that they can address more difficult problems, such as parallel computing and distributed systems.
Programming paradigm[edit]
A programming paradigm is a fundamental style of computer programming, which is not generally dictated by the project management methodology (such as waterfall or agile). Paradigms differ in the concepts and abstractions used to represent the elements of a program (such as objects, functions, variables, constraints) and the steps that comprise a computation (such as assignations, evaluation, continuations, data flows). Sometimes the concepts asserted by the paradigm are utilized cooperatively in high-level system architecture design; in other cases, the programming paradigm's scope is limited to the internal structure of a particular program or module.
A programming language can support multiple paradigms. For example, programs written in C++ or Object Pascal can be purely procedural, or purely object-oriented, or contain elements of both paradigms. Software designers and programmers decide how to use those paradigm elements. In object-oriented programming, programmers can think of a program as a collection of interacting objects, while in functional programming a program can be thought of as a sequence of stateless function evaluations. When programming computers or systems with many processors, process-oriented programming allows programmers to think about applications as sets of concurrent processes acting upon logically shared data structures.
Just as different groups in software engineering advocate different methodologies, different programming languages advocate different programming paradigms. Some languages are designed to support one paradigm (Smalltalk supports object-oriented programming, Haskell supports functional programming), while other programming languages support multiple paradigms (such as Object Pascal, C++, C#, Visual Basic, Common Lisp, Scheme, Python, Ruby, and Oz).
Many programming paradigms are as well known for what methods they forbid as for what they enable. For instance, pure functional programming forbids using side-effects; structured programming forbids using goto statements. Partly for this reason, new paradigms are often regarded as doctrinaire or overly rigid by those accustomed to earlier styles.[citation needed] Avoiding certain methods can make it easier to prove theorems about a program's correctness, or simply to understand its behavior.
Examples of high-level paradigms include:
Aspect-oriented software development
Domain-specific modeling
Model-driven engineering
Object-oriented programming methodologies
Grady Booch's object-oriented design (OOD), also known as object-oriented analysis and design (OOAD). The Booch model includes six diagrams: class, object, state transition, interaction, module, and process.[13]
Search-based software engineering
Service-oriented modeling
Structured programming
Top-down and bottom-up design
Top-down programming: evolved in the 1970s by IBM researcher Harlan Mills (and Niklaus Wirth) in developed structured programming.
Software framework[edit]
A software framework is a re-usable design or implementation for a software system or subsystem. A software framework may include support programs, code libraries, a scripting language, or other software to help develop and glue together the different components of a software project. Frameworks can reduce, consolidate, and standardize logic as well as execute proprietary implementations without exposing their intellectual property or sensitive implantation variables. Various parts and components of the framework may be exposed via an API. These exposed interfaces are considered 'public' and represent a common protocol of information and procedure; they are typically 'exposed' through declarations, protocols, and public methods. Similar to an iceberg, a great deal of a framework's actual implementation and/or logic may not be 'visible' through an API. This portion of a framework is considered 'Private', even though the framework may be open-source or physically visible to the developer/implementer, the 'public vs. private' identification distinctions are based on what is exposed to the consuming resource.
See also[edit]
Best coding practices
Continuous integration
Custom software
Functional specification
Programming productivity
Software blueprint
Software design
Software development effort estimation
Software development process
Software project management
Specification and Description Language
User experience
Roles and industry[edit]
Bachelor of Science in Information Technology
Computer programmer
Consulting software engineer
Offshore software development
Software developer
Software engineer
Software industry
Software publisher
Specific applications[edit]
Video game development
Web application development
Web engineering
References[edit]
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^ Jump up to: a b Joseph M. Morris (2001). Software Industry Accounting. p.1.10
Jump up ^ Alan M. Davis. Great Software Debates (October 8, 2004), pp:125-128 Wiley-IEEE Computer Society Press
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Jump up ^ Edward J. Barkmeyer ea (2003). Concepts for Automating Systems Integration NIST 2003.
^ Jump up to: a b c d Paul R. Smith & Richard Sarfaty (1993). Creating a strategic plan for configuration management using Computer Aided Software Engineering (CASE) tools. Paper For 1993 National DOE/Contractors and Facilities CAD/CAE User's Group.
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14. Find Top Software Development Companies
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Wikimedia Commons has media related to Software development.
Edward Kit (1992). Software Testing in The Real World.
Jim McCarthy (1995). Dynamics of Software Development.
Dan Conde (2002). Software Product Management: Managing Software Development from Idea to Product to Marketing to Sales.
A.M. Davis (2005). Just enough requirements management: where software development meets marketing.
Edward Hasted. (2005). Software That Sells : A Practical Guide to Developing and Marketing Your Software Project.
Luke Hohmann (2003). Beyond Software Architecture: Creating and Sustaining Winning Solutions.
John W. Horch (2005). "Two Orientations On How To Work With Objects." In: IEEE Software. vol. 12, no. 2, pp. 117–118, Mar., 1995.
John Rittinghouse (2003). Managing Software Deliverables: A Software Development Management Methodology.
Karl E. Wiegers (2005). More About Software Requirements: Thorny Issues and Practical Advice.
Robert K. Wysocki (2006). Effective Software Project Management.
Oh sorry, that's more than 140 characters. (Apologies to Wikipedia and CodeProject)
modified 11-Apr-16 17:16pm.
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Just out of interest what's my take away? What was the point? Was it a joke? You are a "Protector" so I am guessing you are on Code Project a great deal. I am wondering what the goal was. This is not me being snarky, I thought about trying to be snarky but I am not good at it. I tend to sound mean when I try to be snarky. Perhaps you were trying to be snarky? Not that you sounded mean. I really have no idea what to make of your post. I feel like I should pay attention cause you have creds.
Maybe not.
Pat O
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Just going out on a limb here but I suspect Marc was in fact being snarky while trying to express the sentiment that #SoftwareDevelopmentIs way too broad a subject to sum up in 140 characters.
There are two types of people in this world: those that pronounce GIF with a soft G, and those who do not deserve to speak words, ever.
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Mike Mullikin wrote: Just going out on a limb here but I suspect Marc was in fact being snarky while trying to express the sentiment that #SoftwareDevelopmentIs way too broad a subject to sum up in 140 characters.
Bingo
Marc
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He was joking for gods sake. The use of the word 'twitter' is an invitation for jokes here. That's the take away.
"the debugger doesn't tell me anything because this code compiles just fine" - random QA comment
"Facebook is where you tell lies to your friends. Twitter is where you tell the truth to strangers." - chriselst
"I don't drink any more... then again, I don't drink any less." - Mike Mullikins uncle
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Yes, snarky.  Actually, I totally forgot to click on the "joke" icon.
pdohara wrote: I feel like I should pay attention cause you have creds.
Dang, you are TOO nice. OK, here goes:
Software Development is the process, partly art, partly science, in which a repeatable (albeit possibly highly complex) process (notice the fractalization?) is analyzed sufficiently such that the process can be reproduced in code, including accounting for random events such as user input.
A bit more than the 140 character limit, but it's hard to get the entire concept whittled down to its bare essentials.
[edit] I should get brownie points for what I think is actually the first serious answer you've gotten. [/edit]
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Thanks,
Precisely the kind of thing I was looking for.
Pat O
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First "serious" answer here. I appreciate that this is the Lounge and Jokes are pretty normal. I really did not get it as a Joke, and still don't. I appreciate that people here think twitter is a Joke, just as people on stack overflow think that Code Project is a joke. At least those that have heard of Code Project. I tend not to pay attention to what is common knowledge.
In any situation there are any number of things that are obvious, intuitive and wrong.
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The lounge is one of those places where one has to tread carefully as there can definitely be a high degree of hazing (perhaps too strong a word) that goes on.
I'm curious, why were you interested in this "Software Development Is" survey?
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Despite my 30+ years in the industry I am not naive to the fact that there are corners I have not spent time in. I am wondering about other peoples experience. The idea of using twitter came from:
1) The twitter discussion between Ron Jefferies [^], Robert Martin [^] and Gregory Brown Gregory Brown (@practicingdev) | Twitter[^] about Uncle Bob's Programmers OathClean Coder Blog[^]. Obviously missed it when it originally came out.
2) I did not think most people would put in the time to write a "complete" answer just for my curiosity.
3) I wanted to hear from people that I do not know. Obviously I can ask my friends and co-workers.
4) I believe there is power in forcing oneself to be concise.
5) I do not have sufficient interest to read even 15 pages from each of my friends on the subject, much less from a larger audience.
Pat O
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It seems you didn't got the idea of the Lounge...Nothing serious here (except the RIP posts)...
Skipper: We'll fix it.
Alex: Fix it? How you gonna fix this?
Skipper: Grit, spit and a whole lotta duct tape.
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Kornfeld Eliyahu Peter wrote: except the RIP posts
And not even those all the time... By the way, did you hear the Leslie Nielsen died?
Oh, and I know this is a repost, but I still like this one a lot:
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I'd just like a chance to prove that money can't make me happy.
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My post wasn't a RIP post, so it wasn't serious...including the 'RIP posts' part...Especially the 'RIP posts' part... 
Skipper: We'll fix it.
Alex: Fix it? How you gonna fix this?
Skipper: Grit, spit and a whole lotta duct tape.
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Not certain what is the point of "this" ?
You feel that aggravated by the OP that you feel you need to answer this ?
I wonder sometimes if CP is becoming an exclusive member only club.
I'd rather be phishing!
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Maximilien wrote: I wonder sometimes if CP is becoming an exclusive member only club.
Certain things on CP have been for a long time. 
There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.
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Pfft! Don't listen to Ryan he's only been here 10 years. Noob!!!
There are two types of people in this world: those that pronounce GIF with a soft G, and those who do not deserve to speak words, ever.
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