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To add on to Griff's earlier thread...
It is my opinion that many, many people become infatuated with the "idea" of software development and all that goes with it (fame and fortune  ) , but it has been my experience that these people don't last more than a couple years, at best - most of them being under the age of 30, and most of those, right out of University/College.
We have had to alter/re-work our hiring process, so I have been told, to help filter these wanna-be sh*t heads developers out of our resume pool. Needless to say, it is a work in progress. 
Hence, the copy paste, and why does it not work for me, mentality. I am not worried in the slightest that my profession has lost its meaning or value, when I see such potatoes around me. In fact, it only makes us more marketable and sought after.
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Well said, actually! 
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The problem with quotes on the internet is that you can never tell if they're genuine
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I'd just like a chance to prove that money can't make me happy.
Me, all the time
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I don't disagree but I also don't think this is a problem exclusive to software engineering. Pretty sure it's true in many (most?) fields.
That's what I do. I drink, and I know things. ~ Tyrion Lannister
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I do know that here in Sweden it's almost impossible to go to a restaurant and expect to get good service anymore. Didn't use to be like that, but restaurants nowadays mainly employ uneducated staff because it's cheaper. And often, they are put in charge of the restaurant alone without any experienced people to ask for help and advice.
I have more or less given up going out to eat, because it's hardly ever worth the money. I only go to places I KNOW provide good food and good service, and as I said: There are not that many left of those...
So yeah, you're right it's not just software engineering.
It creates problems for everybody when people are put in positions they are not equipped to hold. But when money talks, nobody listens to the customer anymore.
Anything that is unrelated to elephants is irrelephant
Anonymous
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The problem with quotes on the internet is that you can never tell if they're genuine
Winston Churchill, 1944
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I'd just like a chance to prove that money can't make me happy.
Me, all the time
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Sorry to burst your bubble, but service never was good in Sweden.
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My bad, I should have thought of that... 
It used to be in Denmark, though, but the same trend can be seen there... 
Anything that is unrelated to elephants is irrelephant
Anonymous
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The problem with quotes on the internet is that you can never tell if they're genuine
Winston Churchill, 1944
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I'd just like a chance to prove that money can't make me happy.
Me, all the time
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My thoughts, precisely.
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If you think 'goto' is evil, try writing an Assembly program without JMP. -- TNCaver
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I hate the fact that, to my mind, I need to lie on my CV to get it through the first filter of knowless HR drones.
veni bibi saltavi
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Nagy Vilmos wrote: I need to lie on my CV
What? You promise to bring gin and then you don't??? 
Anything that is unrelated to elephants is irrelephant
Anonymous
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The problem with quotes on the internet is that you can never tell if they're genuine
Winston Churchill, 1944
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I'd just like a chance to prove that money can't make me happy.
Me, all the time
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Oh no! It is exactly the other way around!!! 
Skipper: We'll fix it.
Alex: Fix it? How you gonna fix this?
Skipper: Grit, spit and a whole lotta duct tape.
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I might actually believe that it is true
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Not fair! When I'm working I am mostly sober. For a given value of sober.
veni bibi saltavi
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I see. Yeah well, my scenario would definitely have pissed ME off if I had been the potential employer...
Anything that is unrelated to elephants is irrelephant
Anonymous
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The problem with quotes on the internet is that you can never tell if they're genuine
Winston Churchill, 1944
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I'd just like a chance to prove that money can't make me happy.
Me, all the time
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Quote: I need to lie on my CV
I do the same. I have a PhD in Computer Science and used to be a professor teaching the darned stuff until I quit to get a real job. The early years in the UK and Europe were no problem, in fact in Germany the PhD was a real plus to getting a good job. However, when I moved to the US it proved a hindrance and I missed out on a couple of good jobs because of it. The agent told me that the manager didn't want to hire anyone better qualified than they were as I would be a threat to their position! I removed the PhD from my CV and got a decent job almost immediately. Coincidence? I think not.
- I would love to change the world, but they won’t give me the source code.
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I've had to down play some of my experience to give myself a chance of getting back into dev work.
veni bibi saltavi
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No coincidence at all...
Once I got to interview by someone I've teach a few years before...I saw the panic in his eyes when he recognized me...
Skipper: We'll fix it.
Alex: Fix it? How you gonna fix this?
Skipper: Grit, spit and a whole lotta duct tape.
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Forogar wrote: I removed the PhD from my CV and got a decent job almost immediately. Coincidence? I think not.
Yea, I have kept my PhD on the resume, because it's a point of pride; otherwise, why did I do the damn thing? However, you are correct that it was a MAJOR hinderance just out of grad school. People would say "you're too expensive," or "you will be bored." Well, yea -- it's just work, I do software, you give me $$$ it's strictly business.
Oh, it's just stupid. I was always told a PhD was prestigious, that you'd get called "Doctor" and stuff. Well, huh, that did not turn out to be the case. However, now I've started my own consulting company and I can make my own employees and vendors call me "Doctor." That's nice 
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I got the "you will be bored" bit one time. I said I wouldn't but it didn't help.
I now work for a major US Hospital and am surrounded by "real" doctors so I never use the appellation and even had HR take it off my security badge. My wife always tells everyone I have a doctorate but I rarely do myself unless it is relevant.
- I would love to change the world, but they won’t give me the source code.
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My current employer asked me to show them my original documents for a Doktor-Ingenieur.
I guess they didn't quite believe it. Still got the job.
it ain’t broke, it doesn’t have enough features yet.
modified 20-Oct-19 21:02pm.
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I lost the original certificate a long time ago but have a signed document saying I had it. An employer in the US has never asked for it since I never declare it but the Green Card process wanted to see it. That's the last time I saw it so I assume they never gave it me back. I'm not really bothered as I now think that academic bits of paper are nothing compared to hard-earned experience.
- I would love to change the world, but they won’t give me the source code.
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Yes I agree. There is this one consulting assignment from 2-3 years back I did as a freelancer for 1-1/2 years, that I've simply left on my resume....they've stopped sending me work, and I've not invoiced them for a long time; however, I leave it at the top of my Experience section so that it looks like, to the brainless HR drones, that it's a job I've held for a "long time" and that I am not a "job jumper."
For some reason, HR drones do not understand that developers are "disposable employees," and "interchangable parts." So, they see something that's alot of short term gigs on there and they say, "Oh you're a job jumper." Pooey on them. No, I am not; I am a software developer and a scientist, and I'm so expensive, that people only keep me around as long as the project lasts, and then they dump me.
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I was interviewed for a job once where the team leader was very keen on me and so took me immediately to see the director who had the final say so. The director glanced at my resume, hardly looked at me, and said, "You have a lot of jobs on here; we need someone who wants to stay a while, not a job-hopper. Goodbye!"
The team leader and I were both stunned by this remark and clear dismissal. He escorted me out, apologizing for the rudeness of his boss and clearly upset about it. I thought myself lucky to not have to work for a boss like that. More than one of the jobs was 6-7 years in length - I had a lot of jobs because I taught Moses how to program - but he clearly didn't want me there. A friend went to work at that company a few months later and said that that team leader had quit shortly after she started and then the director (she called him an a**hole) did a few weeks later. She says it's now a great place to work - but I have a better job now anyway.
- I would love to change the world, but they won’t give me the source code.
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Slacker007 wrote: when I see such potatoes around me.
It seems you need a new gig, where you're (mostly) in the company of good devs.
/ravi
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Oh, I have a great gig, and most of the engineers I work with are great - no worries there. 
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/ravi
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