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Eddy Vluggen wrote: It is not a place to build a "career" - it's a pastime, like a board-game would be.
Except Monopoly doesn't take years to get anywhere, staying up late to camp out items, etc. just so other players can talk about "uber gear" that amounts to nothing at the end of the day. And you can actually interact with real people with board games at least, instead of pretending online games qualify as real human interaction.
That being said, I'd rather play a board game with a cute chick than a MMO with a gamer nerd I'll never meet in real life on the other side of the planet as my pastime of choice. But to each his own.
Jeremy Falcon
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Jeremy Falcon wrote: Except Monopoly doesn't take years to get anywhere
Neither does WoW. It is also a game if you are at level 10, it does not "start" at 90.
Jeremy Falcon wrote: staying up late to camp out items
That's a choice. I wouldn't abandon a good poker-game either.
Jeremy Falcon wrote: And you can actually interact with real people with board games at least,
instead of pretending online games qualify as real human interaction
We had our PC's next to each other; what is the difference between pressing a key, or throwing a card?
Jeremy Falcon wrote: I'd rather play a board game with a cute chick
That argument again? 
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Eddy Vluggen wrote: Neither does WoW. It is also a game if you are at level 10, it does not "start" at 90.
Well, I never played WoW. My MMO experience was with Final Fantasy, but I'd wager WoW is similar. And from that I know, it starts off casual, but soon ends up being a job if you want the coolest crap by the time you get to end game activities. I'd rather go clubbing.
Eddy Vluggen wrote: That's a choice. I wouldn't abandon a good poker-game either.
Smart move. And blackjack... can't forget blackjack.
Eddy Vluggen wrote: We had our PC's next to each other; what is the difference between pressing a key, or throwing a card?
I'll give you a point on that. When I played FFXI, it was with me and my girlfriend at the time. If you're into gaming I can see that. It's just most folks that do the WoW thing are anything but social. So if you have buddies you play with you're in the minority. I'm just not much of a gamer anymore, so my view will be biased towards that.
Eddy Vluggen wrote: That argument again?
It's always about women!
Jeremy Falcon
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Jeremy Falcon wrote: if you want the coolest crap by the time you get to end game activities
Some people get fanatic at a game. Goes for anything online, as well as for poker or monopoly. At the end of the day, it is still a game.
Jeremy Falcon wrote: I'd rather go clubbing.
With "clubbing" you mean going out, a good bar, good music, stuff like that?
I'm too old to do that on a daily basis
Jeremy Falcon wrote: It's just most folks that do the WoW thing are anything but social.
Make that "most folk on the internet".
Jeremy Falcon wrote: It's always about women!
True.
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Eddy Vluggen wrote: With "clubbing" you mean going out, a good bar, good music, stuff like that?
I'm too old to do that on a daily basis
Yeah. I don't do that daily. About the only besides work I do every day is the gym. Well that and eat. On the weekends however, I do like to let loose still.
Jeremy Falcon
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You have weekends?
- I would love to change the world, but they won’t give me the source code.
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Been known to. They're magical.
Jeremy Falcon
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Jeremy Falcon wrote: It's always about women!
As it should be. 
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Used to... Stopped a while back. That game used to be amazing...
I still remember the last day of the second stress test beta, before the original game went on sale... I had just hit level 20 on my Dark Elf Druid, and got cat form... For those not familiar, it looks like a big blueish/purpleish panther that can turn invisible.
So the town I was in was packed with newbies who had just joined, most of them barely level 10-15... The servers were due to shut down in a few hours, the lag was bad enough that you couldn't really do much questing...
So I started wandering around town invisibly... I'd find some newbie who was just messing around somewhere, I'd walk up in front of him, sit down, fade into view, do a "/grin", and turn invisible again.
I spent about 20 minutes doing my best Cheshire Cat impression... It was stupid, but somehow really entertaining.
... Then the game went live, and I was an addict for about five years, until the middle of WotLK when I realized that the completely optional (But required if you wanted to get decent gear) daily quests felt like work instead of play.
I kinda miss Karazhan... Did that raid nine times in one week, with nine of my max-level characters... Beautiful scenery, creative encounters... All downhill after that.
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Ian Shlasko wrote: All downhill after that.
It's an awesome game, the only one I really play now.
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And how many daily quests do you do, just to keep your character(s) raid-ready? They started adding those in Burning Crusade, but they weren't all that bad...
Then in WotLK, suddenly there are factions everywhere, and all of the gear you need to prepare yourself for raids is tied to a faction... So now you have to grind reputation in six different factions, each of which has a bunch of daily quests... And of course, these daily quests are just things like "Kill 20 of these wibbly-wobbly things to help us [uninteresting story explanation]".
The tabards helped a bit, but then even when I went to run a dungeon, it felt like I was doing it just to grind reputation, instead of to have fun... That whole "fun" thing just vanished somewhere along the line...
That said, some of the single-player quest lines in WotLK were great... The one that ended with an invasion of Undercity/Stormwind and the huge battle with the dragon attack... That was epic... If it was more of that and less grinding, I might have stayed.
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it is very easy to lose sight of the fun. I lost sight a few times. Now, I just take my time with the leveling (which is temporary), and have fun with the end of game content.
I do PvP, dungeons, raids, scenarios, etc...
I guess it comes down to what you want from the "game".
I don't sleep much to begin with, so I usually play at night after the wife and kids are in bed. I make it a point though not to commit to raiding guild, where I would be tempted, if not required to not have fun.
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That's what I did, but I ended up joining a casual raiding guild (The Core, on Argent Dawn)... Was fun for a long time, but by the end, I realized I was only playing the game to hang out with them, as the daily quests had eroded all the fun from the game.
Best part for me, was playing all the different classes... I had at least one of every class at max level, and usually a couple others leveling... I tried out all the different specs, trying to understand every single play-style. Made me really good at figuring out strategies with weird party compositions in the 5-mans and small raids, as I knew each class/spec's strengths and weaknesses, and could think of ways to put them together to solve each encounter, even if we didn't have the ideal setup.
Large raids, though... Meh... Too much drama, and not the fun kind. Moving from 40-man raids to 10s/25s was one of Blizzard's best decisions, in my opinion.
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modified 20-Oct-19 21:02pm.
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Kamen Nik wrote: t's a nerdvana.
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..loved the game; played until 90, stopped a few months ago.
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If you have the time, the expansion pack between 90-100 is amazing. I'm grinding out levels now but look forward to a few more months of play time.
I usually play for a few months, take a few month break. Rinse and repeat. Keeps the gameplay fun.
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I'm not missing Alterac Valley yet.
Well, a bit, just not very much.
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Play Guild Wars 2, pretty much every day. 
According to my calculations, I should be able to retire about 5 years after I die.
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One can be a developer or a user; not both.
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So, you do not use a compiler? 
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I suspect we will be playing WoW this weekend with the boats.
The forecast is due to get up for the next 48 hours so unlikely to get any marine ops done. The daily reports will be covered in WoW.
WoW = Wait on Weather 
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I've mostly been playing World of Tanks. I bought the expansion, but decided to play through FarCry 4 first.
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