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That would have been faster. You are shipping a big message through the wire. 
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Still got there first! 
Skipper: We'll fix it.
Alex: Fix it? How you gonna fix this?
Skipper: Grit, spit and a whole lotta duct tape.
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So did VB 1.0.
So did Neil Armstrong.
You know how people react to these, right? 
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I have found some useful information on SO, but equally I know exactly what you are talking about. I have seen many replies to questions downvoted simply because they didn't give the de facto industry expected solution. I even saw one reply not long ago where the reply was heavily downvoted (almost bordering on an attack) because the contributor gave some advice that flew in the face of popular convention. I actually found the advice to be very useful.
If you buck the trend on SO then you won't get along very well, unless you are already well know and respected throughout the technical community. It can be very cliquey.
"There are two ways of constructing a software design: One way is to make it so simple that there are obviously no deficiencies, and the other way is to make it so complicated that there are no obvious deficiencies. The first method is far more difficult." - C.A.R. Hoare
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I think the OP is having trouble getting a question asked let alone answered. I was not aware they nazi'd all over questions (never having asked on SO), answers I can understand. Unless the OP is asking completely idiotic question I would think the would at least be posted.
I find SO an excellent resource but not somewhere I would spend any time and not somewhere I would contribute to!
Never underestimate the power of human stupidity
RAH
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Mycroft Holmes wrote: I was not aware they nazi'd all over questions
Yes - he who must not be named's approach is much closer to the norm in SO than it is here. Whatever you see here in Q&A is magnified through a hive mind on SO. Thoughtful answers often get short shrift too.
That said, where I work the prevailing attitude to CP is pretty negative. I've even been told "it's the shortest way to get the wrong answer" (which surprised me, given that I've always found the advice good) and it's too slow to get any kind of answer.
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Possibly slow because many of us have stopped answering after being attacked by he who must not be named and having questions deleted after spending effort helping. I just don't need the stress. I've always said that he's more of a liability than an asset and would be more at home on SO.
The norm here is clearly more respectful of students and newbs. I'm definitely with the likes of Bill, Mike and Maciej (and countless others) who want to share and not self-promote.
Life is like a s**t sandwich; the more bread you have, the less s**t you eat.
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Dominic Burford wrote: It can be very cliquey.
Think They're Cliquey?
Try letting on that you consider Gin for what it rightly is - sub-standard second-hand toilet bowl cleanser. Then see how well you get along at CP.
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I love gin *cough* 
"There are two ways of constructing a software design: One way is to make it so simple that there are obviously no deficiencies, and the other way is to make it so complicated that there are no obvious deficiencies. The first method is far more difficult." - C.A.R. Hoare
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Uh-oh, definitely verging on SB territory here! 
[HushedTone]What are your feelings on bacon?[/HushedTone]
Life is like a s**t sandwich; the more bread you have, the less s**t you eat.
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PhilLenoir wrote: [HushedTone]What are your feelings on bacon?[/HushedTone]
Happiness is a Warm ToFu
Bacon? Just a Greasy Pig's Buttocks. You may as well eat snails . . .
| "The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits." - Albert Einstein | | "As far as we know, our computer has never had an undetected error." - Weisert | | "If you are searching for perfection in others, then you seek disappointment. If you are seek perfection in yourself, then you will find failure." - Balboos HaGadol Mar 2010 |
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Nagy's coming for you!
Life is like a s**t sandwich; the more bread you have, the less s**t you eat.
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I am happy you find Code Project more friendly than Stack Overflow.
Even here, posts are sometimes marked as 'not a question' and removed. I think this is a bad habit: the OP deserves help even if the question 'is not properly phrased' 
THESE PEOPLE REALLY BOTHER ME!! How can they know what you should do without knowing what you want done?!?!
-- C++ FQA Lite
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CPallini wrote: I think this is a bad habit: the OP deserves help even if the question 'is not properly phrased'
To a point, but I've seen quite a few requests for help here along the lines of "can anyone tell me how to create software to [insert random aim]".
No attempt by the poster to show what (if anything) they've tried, no code snippets, just a general request that to me translates as "I'm too lazy to find out how do this for myself so can someone else do it for me?".
Those kind of posts - in my opinion - bring no value to CP and should be deleted. It's the stringent policing of posts on SO (as annoying as it can be  ) that have made is so valuable as a resource.
[Edit] I just went to Q&A out of morbid curiosity and (as if by magic) this was top of the list - how to transfer live video form client machine to server so that it can be streemed online through web[^]
..exactly what I'm talking about 
How do you know so much about swallows? Well, you have to know these things when you're a king, you know.
modified 31-Aug-21 21:01pm.
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There are several ways to get downvotes asking in SO:
1. Start a question from something like this: "Hi guys, I am new to...", "My teacher told me...", "My friend asked me...", "I need this ASAP..." and similar irrelevant crap.
2. Ask a question without a code "Hi guys, my program crashes, what can I do?"
3. Define all your problems as "not working".
4. Post 1 MB of source code with laconic description "not working" - see also p.3
5. Ask philosophical questions like "What is faster: C or C++?", "How to learn programming?" etc.
6. Ask non-programming questions like "How to install Windows and Ubuntu on the same computer?"
Which way you prefer? Currently SO is most valuable WEB resource for solving a programming problems. But it is really unfriendly for a new users - unless you learn to ask (and probably to answer) according to their guidelines.
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Alex Fr wrote: Currently SO is most valuable WEB resource for solving a programming problems
On this, I'd have to disagree. Most of the time, I find that the answers to problems on SO, assume so much prior knowledge, or are so outdated as to be virtually useless. At best, an answer oftentimes represents a snapshot of the world as it was at that time.
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Of course, this is my personal opinion. When I an looking for some programming solution making Google search, usually SO answers are on the top of the list, and they are really best. Though I am participating in SO both asking and answering a questions, this opinion is based only on my Google search experience. Since there are lot of programming forums, everyone can decide which is the best, and more friendly sites like CodeProject message boards make a good work.
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I used to answer questions on SO. I was put off by the arrogance of certain posters. It's one of the reasons I don't answer many questions in QA here either. There's a similar elitist attitude that forgets that we were all newbies at one point.
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+5. Could not have put it in better words. Perfect comment.
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Agreed - I don't answer anything there either for the same reasons.
And some of our QA answerers are as bad - but fortunately there are fewer here than there! 
Bad command or file name. Bad, bad command! Sit! Stay! Staaaay...
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Hear, hear! +5 from me.
I do find SO is often a useful resource, although their rigidity can also be a barrier, as per your own observations, by favouring the status quo.
CP QA is not SO and I don't think it should ever be. I don't see QA as a repository (whereas SO is); I think it should be a dynamic response to "help, I'm stuck". If it's a repeat of an identical problem or the question is so loose as to be impossible to answer, I believe that each individual in our community has a choice:
- Point the poster to the earlier solution
- Ask for clarification
- Attempt to answer or pull the question apart to expose an answer
- Ignore it and let someone else have a go - if no one does, it falls down the list!
I think the aggressive, know-it-all, negative down-voting and snarky comments that come from a small minority of our number are not consistent with CP community values. I also think that question deletion should be reserved for plainly abusive language and spam.
I get it that many posters do little (no?) research, but sometimes that is driven by not knowing where to even begin looking. How much research a member should do before posting is always going to be subjective. I believe our response should be one of the above even if the help is just to, politely, point out how they might find the answer themselves.
Life is like a s**t sandwich; the more bread you have, the less s**t you eat.
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... Isn't registering, damnit!
These boards need to be exclusive to people who know something about the technology they're using!
So I'll just keep pressing the '1' key on my keyboard until it registers!
I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!
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Quote: CodeProject is very patient
that's why lot's of Spam(Ads) post in QA.
Born To Learn
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Ohhooo... 
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Joke that may have been, but very wide of the mark.
Spam is posted because a$$$holes post spam and they a make a profit from it. We actually have no patience or tolerance for spam. Many thanks to the guardians who watch out for it and report it.
Life is like a s**t sandwich; the more bread you have, the less s**t you eat.
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